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To: Lurkinanloomin

I believe the crux of the issue is the definition of “natural born”. Do we have any court or other authoritative source for this definition? Obama’s mother was a natural born U.S. citizen. Does this mean that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen? If not, is Cruz, being Canadian born, ineligible to run for President?


15 posted on 01/05/2017 8:52:05 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord

Chief Justice Waite, Minor vs Happersett

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.”


16 posted on 01/05/2017 8:59:58 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: JesusIsLord

Obama’s mother was a natural born citizen, as was Cruz’ mother. However both of them chose to marry foreign nationals which resulted in their children inheriting the nationality of those foreign national fathers. Obama was born a British subject, Cruz a Cuban. Cruz was additionally a Canadian until 2015. He is doubly ineligible.
One cannot be a natural born citizen if they can be anything else.
One is only NATURALLY a US citizen when there is no other possibility.


17 posted on 01/05/2017 9:06:08 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: JesusIsLord; Lurkinanloomin

“Obama’s mother was a natural born U.S. citizen.”

Without a valid birth certificate, even this is uncertain.


25 posted on 01/05/2017 9:45:01 AM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: JesusIsLord

Everyone used to know exactly what natural born meant, now it is being chipped away at to allow any globalist interest to run our country.

No, of course not. There are hundreds of thousands of children born of Americans or once American citizens around the world. (Prince Hamzah bin Hussein of Jordan, for instance.) Not only are they NOT natural born, they are not even US Citizens. Their first step is to apply for US residency, some- repeat SOME- may later acquire US citizenship, if granted.

Of the Amer-Asian children born to servicemen from the Koren War and the Vietnam War, very few, less than 20% have been granted US citizenship of those who apply. How is it possible for Ted Cruz to be considered a natural born citizen when those children born to Americans serving in the military can’t even get US citizenship? Their claim to US citizenship is much stronger than Cruz’s.

Cruz’s dad was a Cuban turned Canadian citizen and remained Canadian for 40 years, till 2005. His mother was born a US citizen, but was living abroad for nearly 15 years and became a Canadian citizen. Ted was born out of the USA. Obviously, the political elite have different rules that apply since he is ineligible on three accounts.

If you seriously think that Cruz is eligible, why would the Senate have passed resolution 511 to declare John S. McCain a natural born citizen in 2007? McCain a former military man born to an Admiral and 5th generation American mother was born overseas delivered by a Navy doctor. Both parents were Americans, the father in service of country, Mother was not an ex-pat. He was eligible and was usurped by foreign interests.

Back to the BC of the current potus. The woman they purport to have been his mother, Dunham, has fabricated documentation and flimsy if any accounts to back up his relationship to her. She and her ‘family’ have an elusive paper trail coordinated to compliment a fictional biography that was hatched by the American born terrorist William Ayers. It is no more believable than any other book of fiction. Even Bill Clinton called it the greatest fairy tale that he ever heard.


36 posted on 01/05/2017 10:29:22 AM PST by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies ( '45 will be the best ever.)
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