Posted on 12/31/2016 12:48:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
And a lot less dependence on California!
Iceland I understand, has grown its own food in volcanic springs warmed greenhouses for years, at least since the sixties.
for those who want to be bothered. The great thing about capitalism is that I can buy what I choose to buy.
The 22nd amendment should get honorable mention.
The lighting will cost a fortune, burning a 1000w light for every 10 sq. ft. LED lighting is in its infancy, expensive, & not very efficient. High Pressure Sodium, probably the most efficient artificial lighting on the market, is very hot, requiring A/C to keep the plants cool, yet the building will probably need to be heated in the winter.
Temperature control is critical, yet potentially costly. A well insulated growing space is required, along with expensive climate control systems. An old steel mill is probably a climate control nightmare.
And growing indoors does not guarantee a pest free crop. Tightly spaced plants are a magnet for bugs. The bugs will find your crop, indoors or outside, so pesticides will be needed despite the optimistic claims. Indoor Hydroponic growers have been using all manner of pesticides since the hobby began.
These vegetables will be very expensive.
Sooooo close.
Yer missing the really big elephant.
Route the power plant's exhaust into the green house.
The veggies get heat and that essential plant nutrient, eeeeeevil seeeee ohhhhhh twooooo.
You get very rapid plant growth and the ability to sell carbon credits to boot!
Investors, please feel free to FReep mail me...
Yes, but those are not “fresh” foods. They can be grown seasonally and stored for use throughout the year. That’s why the worries about how much electric power it would take to make all farming indoors is moot. Growing only greens aeroponically, the electric cost is partially offset by lower costs for fertilizer and pesticides, and the add to the electric demand manageable.
Old abandoned mines may not be considered safe anymore. They need to be maintained against cave-ins. They are also unlikely to be close to the urban centers that make this appealing. Trucking produce a few hundred miles across iced-over Canadian roads may not be much cheaper than trucking in from CA, NV, or AZ. If the temperature is freezing outside, I wonder if vegetables like lettuce need to be shipped in heated trucks ? Lettuce that has been frozen and thawed is awful.
This 4 min video of a 125 acre greenhouse tomato growing operation with PV panels and a natural gas fired generator that gives them waste heat plus they remove the CO2 from the exhaust to fertilize their tomato beds.
Yep. Probably the only profitable indoor hydroponic operation in the world is growing marijuana.
For those of you so optimistic about buying hydro grown veggies, hydro grown marijuana retails for $200-$500+ per OUNCE. A $10 tomato might be a good buy in extreme, remote environments; not so much in the sunny, warm south.
So, you believe that the departure of the current regime will not bring that to a screeching halt?
The UN has envisioned that and the USA has been working to put it all into effect.
And you believe that the new administration will fall in lockstep with the criminals at the U.N.?
Oh, wait- we're talking about Canada. Never mind!
Like, Obamacare? < /sarc >
I am in “wait and see mode.” I’m not sure Trump can stop a lot of it. Cities and towns and counties and states are avidly adopting all this crap. It is very profitable for them because it promotes ever more fees and charges.
I humbly disagree.
Lighting is the key to growing anything. The cost of artificial lighting is huge. The sun is free as electricity becomes evermore expensive.
Climate control is also expensive. For most of us it is the most expensive bill of the month. Same for hydroponics. Plants must be kept at an optimal temperature for optimal growth.
Do you employ a pest control company that periodically comes to spray for bugs, inside & out of your house? Bugs will find juicy vegetables even if you lock them in a vault. In a climate controlled environment there is no winter, so bugs never go dormant. Pest control is a must for hydroponic operations, yet it never kills every last bug. Disease, fungus, & bacteria must also be dealt with.
Water used must be at least partially purified & heated to optimal temperature, & kept that way.
All of this runs on electricity.
Without a backup power supply, the indoor gardener is at the mercy of bad weather & the power company. A day or 2 without power produces a dead crop - no water circulation, light, or temperature control.
Browse any Hydro store on the Net & you will see a multitude of expensive items necessary for a successful operation. Any vegetables produced hydroponically will be expensive.
Holmes on Homes tv show with Mike Holmes repaired a house that had indoor harvest of marijuana plants.
The police before the repair had raided the place after the crooks er... farmers tapped the high voltage lines for the grow lights and the power company noticed.
The elites have been setting aside great gobs of land in the 50 states for themselves and their guests so they don’t have to see ruffians and commoners while they are enjoying the Outdoors.
bump for next year. Happy New Year to All.
Green leafies are the only ones that can be produced viably atm.
When the WOD is finally ended and everyone that wants a garden can grow one without Nazi Death Squads kicking in their door, the price will fall to realistic levels. Prohibition IS the only reason for the big bucks.
What do you disagree with ? I said the electric cost was PARTIALLY offset by lower cost for fertilizer and pesticides than in open farm land, not that aeroponics was cheaper overall.
I remember that episode. All the drywall and insulation had to be replaced and the wood framed walls had to be sandblasted (with walnut shells if I remember) to remove the mold growing on it. A landlord’s nightmare.
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