It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war ( it WAS the USA)

The Guardian ^ | 4/30/2014 | Seumas Milne

[GilGil]

When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour...

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union. Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU.

[GilGil]

Does anyone see what is happening here?

In 2014 Obama was perfectly ok with getting rid of the government in the Ukraine and replacing it with one that he approved. Obama is now lecturing Russia to stay out of American elections.

If it was the Russians who did the hacking, this whole scenario is falling into focus. The Americans meddled in the Russian's affaires by taking over the Ukraine and installing their own government in what is a coup. Now as payback, the Russians want to make sure the democrats lose.

This is totally clear.

Now if we can get them to release the 33,000 e-mails we have a checkmate.

[Darteaus94025]

ITZ OMERIKKKA’S FAULT!!!

First, last and always.

[AppyPappy]

So if Russia invades Ukraine, it is our fault? Russia is powerless to stop themselves?

[Common Sense 101]

Its NOT the U.S., it’s O-hole.

[OttawaFreeper]

Oh my, the reset.

[GilGil]

ITZ OMERIKKKA’S FAULT!!!
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It is not.

This is about why the Russians might be involved here.

Putin is basically saying to the democrats that if you mess with mine, I’ll mess with yours.

Obama cannot lecture Putin about messing with American election, when the US staged a coup in Ukraine and threw out the elected government and installed a government of their choosing basically meddling in Russian affaires.

[VitacoreVision]

George Soros via the United States:

George Soros’ Giant Globalist Footprint in Ukraine’s Turmoil
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/17843-george-soros-s-giant-globalist-footprint-in-ukraine-s-turmoil

George Soros Pushes US Bailouts and Weapons for Ukraine
http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/opinion/item/21032-soros-pushes-u-s-bailouts-and-weapons-for-ukraine

Ukraine: Unraveling the Planned Chaos
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/17927-ukraine-unraveling-the-planned-chaos

Ukraine Behind the Headlines: Disinformation, Manipulation, Propaganda
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/17812-ukraine-behind-the-headlines-disinformation-manipulation-propaganda

[GilGil]

So if Russia invades Ukraine, it is our fault? Russia is powerless to stop themselves?
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Russia did not invade Ukraine. The American government staged a coup and installed a government of its choosing without elections.

[AppyPappy]

The JBS is still around?

[VitacoreVision]

Of course. People now realize the JBS was right.

Political climate puts John Birch Society back in focus
September 16, 2016
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/09/16/john-birch-society-rise/90502232/

[Lent]

Ah! OBambi foreign policy. The work of a rank amateur. Next up? His former Secretary of State. Led by the MSM, and corporate glonalism they will put the final nail in the coffin of this once great country.

[AppyPappy]

I don’t know if “right” is the word. They were anti-Communist during the Cold War. Now they seem to be Libertarian.

[Natufian]

Seamus Milne is a both a trotskyite and a putin apologist.

[VitacoreVision]

AppyPappy: Now they seem to be Libertarian.

The JBS has been Constitutionalist since the beginning.

John Birch Society: Our Mission

To bring about less government, more responsibility, and ----- with God's help ---- a better world by providing leadership, education, and organized volunteer action in accordance with moral and constitutional principles.

[GilGil]

Seamus Milne is a both a trotskyite and a putin apologist.
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This does not mitigate the fact that the US sponsored a coup in Ukraine and installed a government of its liking. This totally pissed off Putin.

It is now payback time.

[AppyPappy]

Less government and implementing moral principles seems to be at odds with each other.

[Bogie]

Betrayed, the American people have been betrayed.

Americans want peace and prosperity.

So do Russians.

[VitacoreVision]

AppyPappy: Less government and implementing moral principles seems to be at odds with each other.

The JBS doesn't support the government regulating moral principles. That's the job of religion. Society must be moral for the Constitution and Less Government to work.


"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams

[GilGil]

Listen to this. A conversation between two US diplomats planning the coup. They were hacked by Russia and the conversation was released on youtube.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3482058/posts

[Mariner]

we need ETL to bring some balance to the theme of this article.