The latest gentle giant was apparently gently on PCP. Remember that, supposedly, damning line, Posted on 09/21/2016 4:37:43 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell
The latest gentle giant was apparently gently on PCP. Remember that, supposedly, damning line,
Two 911 calls described an SUV that had been abandoned in the middle of the road. One unidentified caller said the driver was acting strangely, adding, "I think he's smoking something."
Or the other one...
Police helicopter footage was among several clips released Monday that show the shooting and aftermath. A man in the helicopter that arrives above the scene as Crutcher walks to the vehicle can be heard saying "time for a Taser" and then: "That looks like a bad dude, too. Probably on something."
This was supposed to be evidence of unthinking prejudice. Turns out he was a bad dude who had served a four year prison term and was on something.
Investigators found the drug PCP in the vehicle of an unarmed black man fatally shot by a white officer, according to Oklahoma police, but attorneys for the slain man's family say a discussion of drugs distracts from questions about the use of deadly force.
Tulsa Sgt. Dave Walker told the Tulsa World on Tuesday that investigators recovered one vial of PCP in Terence Crutcher's SUV, but he declined to say where in the vehicle it was found or whether officers determined if Crutcher used it Friday night. Walker confirmed to The Associated Press that what he told the newspaper was true, but declined further comment.
You already know the spin.
Lawyers for Terence Crutcher say drug discussion is a distraction in Tulsa police shooting
Also lawyers for Al Capone said that the mob was a distraction. His criminal record? Even more of a distraction.
The unarmed black man shot dead in the middle of a Tulsa street last week by a white police officer had run-ins with the law dating back to his teenage years and had recently served a four-year stint in prison.
But those closest to the 40-year-old victim, Terence Crutcher, described him as a church-going father who was beginning to turn his life around.
With PCP.
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But those closest to the 40-year-old victim, Terence Crutcher, described him as a church-going father who was beginning to turn his life around.
With PCP.
Love this!
Should be the first response to these issues. First time, every time.
Anyone can turn their life around, but if what they say is true, this wasn’t a joint of marijuana or a six pack of beer found in the car.
It was PCP, among the hardest of hard core drugs.
Church-going guys turning their lives around don’t drive around with PCP. End of story. Of course, they will say it was planted, he wasn’t using it, it is a smokescreen, blah blah blah. They will probably attribute his strange behavior to a diabetic condition or something, but...if he had PCP in the car...
Bottom line however. Police are trained to NOT shoot unarmed people that don’t pose an immediate threat. But suddenly it has become epidemic.
Shooting someone because you thought they were getting into their car sounds pretty extreme.
Last night I replied to his twin sister’s statement that included “with all his flaws”. I guess now we know what she was talking about.
Still, not sure he needed to be killed.
Autopsy will be interesting.
I see they are referring to him as a "Pastor" now...is that usual?
See post #5 above. If there is an epidemic, it doesn't seem to me that it is of unarmed, innocent black men being killed in cold blood by police, but rather, the reverse.
Shooting someone who got out of their car and was trying to get back into it while being ordered repeatedly to to stop where they are, are displaying very odd behavior, and under suspicion of being under the influence of one of the most unpredictable and violence inducing drugs known to man, and being very large to boot...I can see exactly why the guy got shot.
We don't know what he was doing. But the two cops standing there, one who tasered him and was immediately followed by the other shooting him, both thought there was a very high risk indeed.
This is not a motorist, pulled over for speeding who got out of their car and tried to get back inside it.
I am in no way saying he deserved to be shot. But neither do I say there is no reason whatsoever for him getting shot.
Yes but if you got out of your car and got back in, would you think that justified shooting you?
Do you think an unwillingness to follow the orders of a government agent are grounds for killing you.
Do you think acting what the government considers “unusual” is grounds for killing you?
I would really like to see what happened before the video. One thing we don’t see is what the police told him to do
I don’t know what the police instructions were, but if he was repeatedly told to stop and to keep his hands where they could see them, then my guess is he would still be alive if he had complied.
The one thing that concerns me is the threat escalated fairly slowly and steadily as he strolled back to the car, but there was no sense of urgency in any police commands I heard. They went from casual to shooting very quickly when they could have been urgently telling his to stop, stay away from the car, etc.
No, but in general not following the orders of someone who has a gun pointed at you is a bad idea.
Of course not, if you state it that way, but why don’t we try to have intelligent discourse about it? That wasn’t what I said, and I think you fully know that.
You frame it as a person simply getting out of their car, and then trying to get back into it and being shot for doing so, and that is clearly not what happened here. Do you agree that is not what happened here?
Can we start with that?
My understanding is that he was walking away from the police after they'd told him to stop. He walked all the way back to his car and was reaching in after he'd been tased.
If one wants to live, they do as the police tell you. Pretty simple.
He didn’t pose a threat yet. He didn’t have an apparent weapon and no known threats were made. All we know is that he didn’t directly follow the orders of a government agent.
That is not a Capital crime.
If the cops suspects he could have a gun in the car, she still doesn’t shoot him. You only shoot him if he charges you or he produces a weapon.
The last thing we want is open season on people who don’t obey the government. So far, that’s all we have in this case.
You can watch the video at the link.
It is clear. He turns around and walks a great distance back to the car, all the while police are giving commands to him to stop what he is doing. He doesn’t walk two feet over to the window, it is a long distance and they seemed to direct commands at him the entire time.
I was not there at the scene. But there was a helicopter there and a car parked in the middle of the road with a man who was behaving erratically. Not pulled off to the side. In the middle of the road.
Someone who knows more about the training cops receive on this might know more about it, but isn’t it possible they train them to try not to escalate a situation, both verbally and physically until they have to? I don’t have any direct experience there, but I know that tension and fear is extremely contagious, and people who deal in situations of tension and fear are taught to control their outward displays of what they might feel inside, in order to keep a situation under control.
In my opinion, he would certainly be alive if he complied, unless, like some people, you think people are being shot for no reason whatsoever.
Until the PCP Preacher gets in, drives away, and kills someones family, or reaches into the car and grabs a Draco pistol and initiates a firefight in public.....or, as the Mooselimbes do in the Middle East (and soon to be here), lure as many people to a VBIED and blow everyone to smithereens.
NEVER let a suspect have access into a vehicle until you have control. TPD didn't have control.....and unfortunately no audio on the three cops that were on top of him. PCP Preacher could have been saying, "I'm gonna kill you" or "Allah Ackbar" (same thing IMHO).
Just sayin'.
I have read the windows were up. What is weird is where he vehicle was located. If it broke down why not pull off to the right?
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