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A scenario for the second civil war
Forward Observer ^ | August 30, 2016 | Matt Bracken

Posted on 08/31/2016 5:49:41 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: DiogenesLamp
I think that is somewhat unfair. I don't think any of them, including Lincoln, thought that stopping independence for the South would cost them 750,000 (the latest updated number) lives.

That's probably true too. I don't think they anticipated the utter disaster it turned out to be.
I think World War 1 was similar, in that many of those people thought that would be over quickly, and it also turned out to be a massive disaster.

201 posted on 09/01/2016 7:51:14 AM PDT by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered. All it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage.)
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To: Ezekiel
It could go either way, so I keep the options open.

:)

I'm not 100% sure either, though I do think it's a strong possibility we've been tricked and have already received our 'mark', since many parts match up so precisely. Have we, unwittingly, sold our birthright for a bowl porridge?

I certainly wouldn't rule out a later 'level' of the prophecy of an actual 'marking' of a sign of some beast, as some believe John saw a image of the mark of Islam.

202 posted on 09/01/2016 7:57:47 AM PDT by amorphous
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To: CodeToad
I can’t seem to find a time they didn’t accept such orders. World wide, all armies, rare is it to find a story where the military refused orders.

Yes, I don't think I suddenly came up with some sort of brilliance. Remember, the Germans said they were just following orders. I think the majority of American soldiers, if ordered to do so, will surely fire on American civilians.

203 posted on 09/01/2016 7:58:07 AM PDT by Mark17 (Calvary's love has never faltered. All it's wonder still remains. Souls still take eternal passage.)
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To: mrmeyer
Perhaps, but are they flame retardant?

Yes. But there is an effective countermeasure for MRAPS

204 posted on 09/01/2016 7:59:51 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Mark17
That's probably true too. I don't think they anticipated the utter disaster it turned out to be. I think World War 1 was similar, in that many of those people thought that would be over quickly, and it also turned out to be a massive disaster.

I think that is exactly true. World War I was a horrible loss of life, and the cost was far greater than any benefit they thought they would earn from fighting it.

Yes, both WWI and the Civil War were mistakes caused by arrogance.

205 posted on 09/01/2016 8:00:34 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Jack Black

Got Tribe?

Ever read Bill Whittle’s essay “Tribes”?

Here it is if you haven’t:

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/law-enforcement-military-homeland-security-discussion/19268-tribes-bill-whittle.html


206 posted on 09/01/2016 8:18:14 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Wilderness Conservative; Travis McGee
it will be much like the Revolutionary War where Tories and Patriots often lived close to each other. Not a pretty scenario at all.

That's why the census bureau did that extremely inquisitive "community survey" a couple of years ago—so that the overlords would know exactly which solidly republican, christian and/or white communities to "seed" with "refugees", illegal "children" and section 8's. They have already thusly ruined the neighborhood where we live, and to which we must continue to pay sizeable HOA dues for the by-laws until such time as we move away (soon), while the government-assisted implants do nothing to take care of their residences, control their kids or dogs, or pick up their trash. What scares us most is that in the possibility of an insurrection, the dues-payers will be handy targets. But in researching where limited income retired people could go next, we're coming up with the same dilemma: anywhere we thought we would like to live among patriots is already infiltrated, is in the process of being infiltrated, or will be infiltrated before Trump can stop it. If it's not infiltrated now, there is a terrorist training camp within 20 miles. Or it's so remote that there are no services (we are old and need some things like medical care).

207 posted on 09/01/2016 8:25:40 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("They only smear who they fear." --Diamond and Silk)
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To: Travis McGee

I read all you books, and find your writing to be eye opening. For example, your article about the globalists and Islamists vs nationalists really opened my eyes. That being said, I can see no evidence of a scenario of a 2nd civil war, based on gun owners resisting the gutting of the 2nd amendment. I see no sign of that sort of zeal in the citizens. As long as the citizens have NASCAR, football, and dancing with the stars....I think they will sleep until we follow Europe’s path into sharia.
Where is the evidence patriots would rise up to defend the 2nd or the 1st Amendments? The American public is weak, gutless, self-indulgent and most important, leaderless.
How many Americans have been killed by radical American supporters of Islam? I can think of 100 very easily.
How many Americans have been killed by extremist supporters of the Constitution? I can think of none.


208 posted on 09/01/2016 8:35:05 AM PDT by HogsBreath
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To: Travis McGee
BOOKMARK
209 posted on 09/01/2016 9:37:29 AM PDT by ExSoldier ("Terrorists: They hate you yesterday, today, and tomorrow. End it, no more tomorrows for them!)
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To: Albion Wilde
That's why the census bureau did that extremely inquisitive "community survey" a couple of years ago—so that the overlords would know exactly which solidly republican, christian and/or white communities to "seed" with "refugees", illegal "children" and section 8's. They have already thusly ruined the neighborhood where we live, and to which we must continue to pay sizeable HOA dues for the by-laws until such time as we move away (soon), while the government-assisted implants do nothing to take care of their residences, control their kids or dogs, or pick up their trash. What scares us most is that in the possibility of an insurrection, the dues-payers will be handy targets. But in researching where limited income retired people could go next, we're coming up with the same dilemma: anywhere we thought we would like to live among patriots is already infiltrated, is in the process of being infiltrated, or will be infiltrated before Trump can stop it. If it's not infiltrated now, there is a terrorist training camp within 20 miles. Or it's so remote that there are no services (we are old and need some things like medical care).

I feel for you and have noted some of the same things here. I'm not sure what to say, other than Trump is only a first step we need to start electing people far to the right of him, where ever we can, who explicitly target programs like Section 8 and Refugee Resettlement and bring a stop to them in some areas.

Look at states that are pretty Red. Being in a Red area in a Blue state has a limited half-life of freedom. Eventually the Statist Pukes will start going after the Freedomistas in their "control". Here in Washington and Oregon you can feel them getting ratcheted up to start attacking basic rights like gun ownership.

Eventually it's going to come down to a fight of some sort, so it's good to be where you think you want to fight. (In whatever sort of metaphorical way you wish to interpret that.)

210 posted on 09/01/2016 10:00:22 AM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: DuncanWaring
Ever read Bill Whittle’s essay “Tribes”?

No, I haven't. Thanks much from bringing it to my attention DW! Have a great holiday weekend.

211 posted on 09/01/2016 10:01:42 AM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: CodeToad; CodeJockey; Mark17

My belief is most youthful police and soldiers would simply need to be told by their brass:

"...Enforce this confiscation or your employment will be terminated, all wages / benefits halted, and you will be jailed pending further prosecution.
Now get out there and collect firearms immediately..."


212 posted on 09/01/2016 10:16:17 AM PDT by Blue Jays
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To: Jack Black

Thank you, Jack Black. It’s in God’s hands. It’s our obligation to do due diligence, but when decision time comes, “He leadeth me.”


213 posted on 09/01/2016 10:25:20 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("They only smear who they fear." --Diamond and Silk)
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To: Pollster1; wbill

"...I would like to see the liberal states expelled from the Union. Any state that still supports the evil communist who is currently defiling our White House has no potential to contribute to a free country and should be voted out of the union..."


How do you propose good, solid, patriotic Conservative homeowners who live/work in purple/blue states be assisted since they are being "expelled" under your suggestion?

214 posted on 09/01/2016 10:54:13 AM PDT by Blue Jays
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To: B4Ranch

Thanks, looks like an excellent resource.

Emphasis on downloading this - I’m sure that YouTube will, at some point, be told to cut off access or remove the videos altogether.


215 posted on 09/01/2016 10:59:00 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Blue Jays
How do you propose good, solid, patriotic Conservative homeowners who live/work in purple/blue states be assisted since they are being "expelled" under your suggestion?

That is a very good question, and my answer is probably not as good. As a resident of the People's Republic of Maryland, I would move to one of the states that was retained in the union. It would require a lot of family moves - as communists moves from Austin, TX, so the socialist hellhole of their choice, and as decent people moved from rejected former states to states that valued patriotism. I think it's worth it.

216 posted on 09/01/2016 11:00:03 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I moved out of the city so I wouldn't have to worry about neighbors in close proximity, but I am surprised by your level of due diligence in creating your own situational awareness.

Due diligence is everything. I observed an issue with a neighbor years ago, one significant enough that my former neighbor is probably still behind bars, and that made me more aware of how much I need to pay attention. I learn from my mistakes.

217 posted on 09/01/2016 11:01:56 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Travis McGee

I just want to say that it’s not just that all Swiss man are armed. They are more Federal than we are. Their cantons are much freer than our states. They don’t REALLY have a President. The country is run by 7 people (the Bundesrat) and each year, one of the 7 is chosen to be the President for ceremonial purposes. We could learn some things from Switzerland. (I far prefer my beloved America but we can still learn a few things from a very federal republic.)


218 posted on 09/01/2016 11:03:38 AM PDT by Yaelle (Liberals, you're not tolerant unless you are comfortable with diversity of opinion.)
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To: CodeToad
I can’t seem to find a time they didn’t accept such orders. World wide, all armies, rare is it to find a story where the military refused orders.

That is not entirely one-sided. While soldiers rarely refuse orders, a part of that is senior officers being afraid to try issuing orders that might not be obeyed. Part of the reason that soldiers obey is that thugs in power, even Obama, are afraid to issue the most evil orders they can imagine, no matter how much they may relish the thought of doing so.

219 posted on 09/01/2016 11:06:35 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Gaffer; DiogenesLamp; Travis McGee

Gaffer & Diogenes - with all due respect, I must say the following:

1) I don’t know either of you.

2) I don’t have anything against either of you.

3) I am pretty sure that you are both bright and sincere people of good will.

4) That all being said, Travis McGee - Matt Bracken - has repeatedly (including in this thread) taken a great deal of time and effort to warn people about the possible consequences of various potential governmental actions. While I cannot speak for him, I am reasonably certain that having people on one of his threads that deals with potential problems in the FUTURE commenting interminably about the “unpleasantness” in this nation between 1861 and 1865 was not at the top of his list for making this post.

5) Speaking for ME - only - I am very tired of the interminable arguments over whether the Civil War (as it is popularly called) should be considered a civil war, or a revolt of some kind...or whether it should be called the “War of Northern Aggression” instead of the “Civil War.” I frankly don’t care WHY it started, WHAT it was over, or HOW you title that conflict - for all I care, call it the war of Hillary’s Sharted Tablecloth Masquerading as a Pantsuit.” Really, guys, WHO CARES? The war has been over for 151 years and about 4 months. Precious few alive now could have heard a first-hand account of any action during that period. It is done. It is over. Times have changed and that is not the issue that Matt Bracken put before us. How about stick to the topic - possible FUTURE government action, and what to do or not do about it? HMMM, how about it, guys?

Thanks.


220 posted on 09/01/2016 11:12:25 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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