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To: kabar

The poster wishes to have a constructive dialog, supposedly.

A constructive dialog would involve opposing points of view that are factually stated, and the fact that he talks about LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration as if they were the same thing makes the whole point invalid.

Most thinking people are not against immigration, but ARE against two things:

1.) Illegal immigration

2.) Legal immigration policies designed to destroy the host country by excluding people who may possess marketable skills but do not have the right skin color or heritage, preferentially accepting people who have no way to contribute to society but have the right skin color and right heritage, and doing all this in numbers that are meant to place enough of a load on society to break it down, which is the end goal of the people who have put these policies in place.


39 posted on 08/30/2016 8:08:30 PM PDT by rlmorel (Orwell described Liberals when he wrote of those who "repudiate morality while laying claim to it.")
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To: rlmorel
the fact that he talks about LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration as if they were the same thing makes the whole point invalid.

Wrong. They are both sides of the same coin. We are importing 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year along with 640,000 guest workers annually. Since 1990 35 million legal permanent immigrants have entered this country. We have just had three of the four largest decades of immigration in our history. Why are we importing so much foreign labor legally at a time when we have the lowest labor participation rates in 38 years? Legal immigrants use the welfare system to a much greater degree than the native born.

Illegal immigrants present the same kinds of problems. They are competing against Americans for scarce jobs. They are depressing wages. They are using the welfare system mainly thru the 300,000 anchor babies born annually to illegal aliens. Birthright citizenship makes them US citizens eligible for Medicaid, food stamps, housing assistance, etc.

The impact of legal and illegal immigration must be seen as a whole.

Most thinking people are not against immigration, but ARE against two things:

I would add a third. We must reduce legal immigration substantially to protect American citizens and their jobs and their social safety net. Government data collected in December 2014 show 18 million immigrants (legal and illegal) living in the United States who arrived in January 2000 or later. But only 9.3 million jobs were added over this time period. In addition, the native-born population 16 and older grew by 25.2 million. Because job growth has not come close to matching immigration and population growth, the share of Americans in the labor force has declined dramatically — a clear indication there is no labor shortage.

41 posted on 08/30/2016 8:23:54 PM PDT by kabar
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