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To: Truth29

I’ve heard how we “de-Nazified” Germany after World War II.

And that we did something similar in Japan, as we occupied that country after World War II. We transformed the cultures of these two countries.

I need to research the topic further. I had heard about de-Nazification but don’t know how we accomplished it.

But I agree if we can “de-Islamacize” the western world, it would be a giant step in the right direction.

But do our leaders today have the guts to do what is necessary? Political correctness may yet get us all killed.


7 posted on 08/13/2016 12:32:35 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

You can take the nazi out of the German. You can not take the Moslem out of a Moslem.


8 posted on 08/13/2016 12:36:59 PM PDT by Trumpet 1 (US Constitution is my guide.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“But I agree if we can “de-Islamacize” the western world, it would be a giant step in the right direction.”

I am very afraid that there is only one way to “De-Islamize” the western world. It would involve “De-Islamizing the entire world”.

By any and all means necessary.

No prisoners taken.

Islam is a cancer, not a religion.

No mosque left untargeted.

No Imams left.

Period.


9 posted on 08/13/2016 12:37:37 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Dilbert San Diego

>>But do our leaders today have the guts to do what is necessary?

No


10 posted on 08/13/2016 12:44:22 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Dilbert San Diego; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

De-radicalization of Muslims will not work using the methods of confrotational shaming agressors over the horrors inflicted upon their victims.

Nazism and Japanese Emperor worship were largely new nationalistic movements and not as strong in inspiring religious fervor as islam does due to its fundamentalism, decentralized power, and proud 1300 year history of conquering the known world and conscientiousless murder of HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of Hindus, Christians, Buddists, Jews, Pagans, and African tribesmen.

Islam only understands One thing that it respects and fears:

Disproportionate deadly force for any Muslim who steps out of line.

Like it or not, Israel has it right.

De-nazification:

German soldiers react to footage of concentration camps, 1945

http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/german-soldiers-forced-watch-footage-concentration-camps-1945/

German soldiers react to footage of concentration camps, 1945
German soldiers react to footage of concentration camps, 1945

Force confrontation: German soldiers react to footage of concentration camps, 1945

The image shows the faces of German POWs, captured by Americans, watching a film about a concentration camp. This forced confrontation brought Germans face-to-face with the worst works of the Third Reich. It must be really hard to go through what they did and look back knowing that everything that happened to them, all of their friends who were killed or maimed was in the name of something horrific, something totally repugnant to their own values.

The caption reads: “German prisoners of war in American camps watch the documentary/presentation about German concentration camps.” (Image held by United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.)

This forced process was part of the Allied policy of postwar denazification, meant to purge Germany of the remnants of Nazi rule and rebuild its civil society, infrastructure, and economy. The program included compulsory visits to nearby concentration camps, posters displaying dead bodies of prisoners hung in public places, and forcing German POWs to view films documenting the Nazis’ treatment of “inferior” people. The footage came from a newsreel shown in the US and was seen by millions and millions of people at the time. Seeing is believing. Often the only thing capable of denting humanity’s monumental ability to bunker down in a state of denial is indisputable, visual evidence. When cruel things take place on a massive and institutionalized scale behind closed doors and out of sight in societies, only jarring confrontation can shatter the delusions. If the ear won’t listen, tell it to the eye.
Another view of this scene that was taken from the back of the theater.

Another view of this scene that was taken from the back of the theater.

German soldiers weren’t necessarily Nazis. The Holocaust is just one side of the Second World War. The other side was the fight for territory and power. Sounds unthinkable today (especially when you are German), but in that respect the Second World War was just the last war in a very long of wars for supremacy in Europe, that went back and forth for centuries. Strong nationalistic feelings and “war as extension of diplomacy” were quite normal back then. There was no conflict between not following (maybe even opposing) the Nazis and fighting for the “good of your Fatherland”. Some soldiers were Nazis, some just wanted revenge for Versailles, others wanted to sit at the same table as France and Britain. And many followed because they had no other choice.

What did the German people knew about the Nazi concentration camps during WWII?
Recent German historiography showed that a lot of Germans were definitely aware of mass killings of Jews (Slavs, mentally disabled etc.), but not what specifically happened in the concentration camps. You had lots of soldiers who saw these killings and reports of them did make it back to the home front. Jews were often rounded up and their mass deportations were not a secret and often watched by bystanders. Some of the mass killings were even public. It was common for Germans to listen to foreign radio stations, which mentioned the mass killings of Jews as well. Some people did speak out against that, most famously the resistance movement White Rose, who distributed pamphlets which attacked the killings of hundreds of thousands of Jews. They were identified, captured and sentenced to death.

    Denazification was an Allied initiative to rid German and Austrian society, culture, press, economy, judiciary, and politics of any remnants of the National Socialist ideology. It was carried out specifically by removing those involved from positions of influence and by disbanding or rendering impotent the organizations associated with it. The program of denazification was launched after the end of the Second World War and was solidified by the Potsdam Agreement.


11 posted on 08/13/2016 12:53:29 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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