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To: Ray76

[[He was not already a citizen and then “burdened” with extra requirements.]]

Yes he was- the burden for NBC born off-soil is greater than on-soil for the reasons i and springfieldreformer mentioned- He lost his citizenship because of lax guidelines by the court in determining what a person’s ‘intent to expatriate’ were- I’m not going to keep stating this- You seem to be trying to dance around this point- but it always comes back to this point regarding the Bellei case-

[[Even if Bellei did not lose his citizenship he would still be a naturalized citizen,]]

There was no statute that conferred citizenship to him nor was there a naturalization process he went through- another point you seem disinclined to address- There was a statute that he failed to comply with which, wrongly, in the eyes of the court, they determined to mean he voluntarily expatriated himself without going through a process of expatriation- as mentioned several times now, courts have stepped up to the plate and done away with such lax interpretation of a citizen’s ‘intent to expatriate’, and for good reason- Courts can’t just arbitrarily strip a citizen of their citizenship without strong/stringent probable cause anymore-

[[If he had not been naturalized he would not have lost his citizenship.]]

If you will read the dissenting opinion in the case- he most certainly did lose his NBC citizenship- this is why later courts stepped in to correct this atrocity so that it never happens again- it is now much much harder for a court to strip someone of their citizenship and yes, a court can and does strip people of their citizenship- but it is nowm uch harder for them to do so than it was in Bellei’s day


78 posted on 04/09/2016 12:21:57 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434

> There was no statute that conferred citizenship to him nor was there a naturalization process he went through

Naturalization is the conferring of citizenship by statute.

> If you will read the dissenting opinion in the case- he most certainly did lose his NBC citizenship

There you go again. Bellei lost his citizenship because he was a naturalized citizen who did not comply with naturalization statute.


82 posted on 04/09/2016 6:30:36 AM PDT by Ray76 (Judge Roy Moore for Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States)
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