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To: Bob434

Conflating “at” with “by” is a source of confusion and all too common.

“at” indicates a point in space or time

“by” indicates a causative agent

A person can be a citizen at birth either by statute or by nature.

Citizenship conferred by statute is naturalization.


50 posted on 04/07/2016 9:51:02 PM PDT by Ray76 (Judge Roy Moore for Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States)
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To: Ray76

[[Citizenship conferred by statute is naturalization.]]

No I’m sorry- that simply isn’t correct- The chidl is not a NBC by statute born overseas- they are citizen by birthright- only a foreigner who has no soveriegn citizen parent needs to be naturalized

Congress was given authority to declare who needs naturalization- and anyone who doesn’t need naturalization is an nbc- not by statute- but by birthright— Natural law- the law of nations from which we draw some of our constitutional rights- Cases since Wong vs Kim clearly show that there is no difference between two mothers who travel abroad, who are citizens, where one chooses to remain overseas for the birth, and one who doesn’t- Those born overseas do not have to go through any process of statute to become a NBC or even simply a citizen- they are one at birth- no process is needed- A child born overseas Can however apply for certificate of birth (CBRA?- something like that) but it is not necessary to be a citizen- a child brought back into the US without a CRBA is still a NBC with all rights and privileges of the us parent- that is the law as it stands- The US parent’s sovereign citizenship is passed by birthright to the child-

[[Citizenship conferred by statute is naturalization.]]

Again- it is not a statute which confers citizenship birthright confers citizenship- The Statute simply confirms this- there is no legal process a person born overseas to a US parent needs to undergo in order to be an NBC- only foreigners need to go through a process of naturalization in order to become a citizen- something they were not by birthright-


53 posted on 04/08/2016 12:25:15 AM PDT by Bob434
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