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Do you think that Wisconsin is an outlier liberal/socialist paradise or are you claiming it is secretly conservative?

No, I am making distinctions. Your question are basically asking, "Did you order the rotten four week old mackerel" or the "Filet Mignon was famous secret seasoning?" There is a LOT of in-between. Paul Ryan is worthless, he is Establishment, He is responsive to the wrong people, but that doesn't provide evidence that he is among the most liberal in the country. The original post stated that Paul Ryan is proof that Wisconsin is one of the most liberal states and always has been.

I will reprise the thread in order:

Niftster: Wisconsin is one of the most liberal states in the union and always has been.

Paul Ryan us current example

Dr. Sivana: You are confusing Establishment and RINO with "most liberal". Yeah, Ryan makes a lousy Speaker of the House, but he is not as liberal as Wisconsin's Sen. Tammy Baldwin. No one would call Ryan the liberal in the room populated with Rosa DeLauro, Barabara Mikulski and Dianne Feinstein. Heck, he's probably more conservative than Texas' former Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson, whose seat Ted Cruz now occupies. Wisconsin, like Pennsylvania and Michigan has very liberal areas and solid conservative areas.

Nifster: Then you better look up wisconsins history including Bob lafallotte and all the rest of the elected officiala

Dr. Sivana: I am reasonably well versed in Wisconsin's role in socialism, progressivism and the origin of the modern Republican party. You might as well say that Vermont is conservative because they voted against FDR.

No hole has been demonstrated in my logic in this excahnge.

I've lived in Connecticut, Illinois, Wisconsin, Virginia and Georgia. Wisconsin is far from the most liberal place to be. Milwaukee is more liberal than most of the state but not noticeably more liberal than almost any northern U.S. city. Madison is extremely liberal, which by itself doesn't make the state as a whole a liberal state. The proximity to Chicago combined with the university in Madison makes for a lot of sparks and a lot of action, but unlike Massachusetts and Connecticut, where there isn't even pushback anymore, the activity means the state is in play, and Walker continues to get things done, and despite the RINOs (who are even in the leadership here in conseravtive Georgia) Walker has been able to get them to vote the right way most of the time (they watered down GAB reform, unfortunately).

Wisconsin is not conservative. I never said it was. It is not, as a state or even in its election of Ryan, one of the most liberal. Tammy Baldwin or Russ Feingold would be examples of arch-liberals in the state's recent past. Scott Walker, Jim Sensenbrenner or the great Senator Joe McCarthy would be real conservatives that were important pols in the state. Lots of moderates too, like Tommy Thompson and (Democrat Budget Hawk) William Proxmire.

Wisconsinites by and large are pragmatic (outside of Madison). Cheese, beer, Packers, hunting is huge there. It is not Massachusetts, Maryland or Vermont. Thankfully, Milwaukee is not as big as Chicago, or it'd be like Illinois.