Posted on 03/08/2016 3:41:46 PM PST by marvel5
NATO military commander Philip Breedlove howled the other day that Russia is 'weaponizing' Syrian refugees. US senator John McCain said exactly the same thing at the Munich Security Conference a couple of weeks ago. Famous "philanthropist" George Soros said the same a month ago.
McCain, Breedlove and Soros claim that Russian combat operations in Syria are part of a wider plot to destabilize Europe by sewing divisions in the EU. Western media then uncritically picked up and transited these bizarre claims.
Tara McCormack over at Spiked has a great rebuke:
Kosovo has produced the third-highest number of refugees after Syria and Afghanistan, and given that it’s an EU protectorate and NATO bombed it to independence, who is doing the weapons there?
That's right. In fact it's not just Kosovo. Every single major refugee movement we're now seeing was facilitated by a prior NATO intervention.
(Excerpt) Read more at russia-insider.com ...
You think it was a mistake to print the article, but posted it here without the disclaimer? What’s the logic, there?
You are confused. I was referring to the RI article cited by “Krosan” as post no. 15. not the article I posted.
Ah, yet you are a Russian revisionist. That makes sense.
I don’t know what a “Russian revisionist” is, unless it refers to someone who recognizes communism ended in
Russia a quarter of a century ago.
On the other hand, “cultural Marxism” is the dominant philosophy of the US/EUSSR, which is why when you support US foreign policy you support radical feminism, unrestricted abortion, multiculturalism, extreme secularism, homosexualism and same sex marriage, mass immigration and open borders, the destruction of the nation-state in favor of globalism, etc., all of which Russia opposes.
You forgot one other dominant Russian philosopy: invading its smaller neighbors, and making revisionist excuses for it.
I refer you to the evidence cited in my previous posts. Russia has not invaded anyone, so says Ukraine’s own military chief of staff, German and French intelligence, a former top NATO general (German), and OSCE.
Not only that, it was Putin who agreed to Minsk I and II, when Ukraine was on the edge of defeat in September 2014 and February 2015. Putin could have taken Donbass and indeed all of Ukraine anytime he wanted to - IF he wanted to, which he obviously does not.
Ha! You sound just like a professor talking about America in that post.
Let’s just take Crimea, for example. What terminology does sputniknews.com and your other sources use as a substitute for “illegal occupation?” What’s the Kremlin line?
Thanks. I’ll stay away from polonium tea with Russian agents.
Have you seen some of those gals? A couple sips can’t hurt too much.
If you have anything worthwhile, post it here. I don’t read FRmail.
Suit yourself. It’s in your mailbox.
No, it is not. I can’t read Cyrillic, anyway.
There was no “illegal occupation.” Russian troops were lawfully stationed on the territory of Crimea under agreement with Ukraine and Russian forces never exceeded the number of authorized.
The illegality began with the US/EU overthrowing the legitimate government of Ukraine in February 2014, with the aid of neo-Nazi storm troopers, who massacred even their own people in Maidan on Feb. 20, 2014 as part of a “false flag” incident intended to blame the government. Canadian political science professor Ivan Katchanovski (Univ. of Ottawa) has thoroughly documented this in his academic study, “The Snipers Massacre,” presented last fall to the American Political Science Association. Of course, this study was never reported in the MSM, because it contradicts the USG’s “Maidan narrative.”
http://orientalreview.org/2015/09/11/the-snipers-massacre-on-the-maidan-in-ukraine/
(Also confirmed by the leaked phone call between the Estonian foreign minister and the EU policy chief. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573923/Estonian-Foreign-Ministry-confirms-authenticity-leaked-phone-call-discussing-Kiev-snipers-shot-protesters-possibly-hired-Ukraines-new-leaders.html)
Notwithstanding this provocation, Russia, Yanukovich, Poland, France, Germany, and the opposition leadership had agreed to a peace deal under which, inter alia, early elections were to be held by the end of the year.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/21/agreement-on-the-settlement-of-crisis-in-ukraine-full-textections.
Instead, the Maidan mob overthrew the government anyway.
The people of Crimea, overwhelmingly Russian, voted in a referendum by 96% to exercise their right to self-determination in protest of the coup government. US government and private polling, even Ukrainian-sponsored polling, subsequent to the referendum confirmed the people’s wishes:
“The results of the survey by the Broadcasting Board of Governors [USG}, conducted 21–29 April 2014, showed that 83% of Crimeans felt that the results of the March 16 referendum on Crimea’s status likely reflected the views of most people there. Whereas, this view is shared only by 30% in the rest of Ukraine.[140]
According to the Gallup’s survey performed on 21–27 April, 82.8% of Crimean people consider the referendum results reflecting most Crimeans’ views,[141] and 73.9% of Crimeans say Crimea’s becoming part of Russia will make life better for themselves and their families, just 5.5% disagree.[141]
According to survey carried out by Pew Research Center in April 2014, majority of Crimean residents say the referendum was free and fair (91%) and that the government in Kyiv ought to recognize the results of the vote (88%).[142]
A poll of the Crimean public was taken by the Ukrainian branch of Germany’s biggest market research organization, GfK, on 16–22 January 2015. According to its results: “Eighty-two percent of those polled said they fully supported Crimea’s inclusion in Russia, and another 11 percent expressed partial support. Only 4 percent spoke out against it. ... Fifty-one percent reported their well-being had improved in the past year.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014
As you recall, the US/NATO brutally bombed Serbia for 78 days in 1990 and supported a declaration of independence by Kosovo, which established a Muslim gangster state. The US recognized Kosovo’s declaration of independence from Serbia even though it was not supported by any referendum.
Since you want the “Kremlin line,” here it as forcefully argued by President Putin on March 18, 2014,on the legalities of situation.
“As it declared independence and decided to hold a referendum, the Supreme Council of Crimea referred to the United Nations Charter, which speaks of the right of nations to self-determination. Incidentally, I would like to remind you that when Ukraine seceded from the USSR it did exactly the same thing, almost word for word. Ukraine used this right, yet the residents of Crimea are denied it. Why is that?
Moreover, the Crimean authorities referred to the well-known Kosovo precedent – a precedent our western colleagues created with their own hands in a very similar situation, when they agreed that the unilateral separation of Kosovo from Serbia, exactly what Crimea is doing now, was legitimate and did not require any permission from the country’s central authorities. Pursuant to Article 2, Chapter 1 of the United Nations Charter, the UN International Court agreed with this approach and made the following comment in its ruling of July 22, 2010, and I quote: “No general prohibition may be inferred from the practice of the Security Council with regard to declarations of independence,” and “General international law contains no prohibition on declarations of independence.” Crystal clear, as they say.
I do not like to resort to quotes, but in this case, I cannot help it. Here is a quote from another official document: the Written Statement of the United States America of April 17, 2009, submitted to the same UN International Court in connection with the hearings on Kosovo. Again, I quote: “Declarations of independence may, and often do, violate domestic legislation. However, this does not make them violations of international law.” End of quote. They wrote this, disseminated it all over the world, had everyone agree and now they are outraged. Over what? The actions of Crimean people completely fit in with these instructions, as it were. For some reason, things that Kosovo Albanians (and we have full respect for them) were permitted to do, Russians, Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars in Crimea are not allowed. Again, one wonders why.
We keep hearing from the United States and Western Europe that Kosovo is some special case. What makes it so special in the eyes of our colleagues? It turns out that it is the fact that the conflict in Kosovo resulted in so many human casualties. Is this a legal argument? The ruling of the International Court says nothing about this. This is not even double standards; this is amazing, primitive, blunt cynicism. One should not try so crudely to make everything suit their interests, calling the same thing white today and black tomorrow. According to this logic, we have to make sure every conflict leads to human losses.
I will state clearly — if the Crimean local self-defence units had not taken the situation under control, there could have been casualties as well. Fortunately this did not happen. There was not a single armed confrontation in Crimea and no casualties. Why do you think this was so? The answer is simple: because it is very difficult, practically impossible to fight against the will of the people. Here I would like to thank the Ukrainian military – and this is 22,000 fully armed servicemen. I would like to thank those Ukrainian service members who refrained from bloodshed and did not smear their uniforms in blood.
Other thoughts come to mind in this connection. They keep talking of some Russian intervention in Crimea, some sort of aggression. This is strange to hear. I cannot recall a single case in history of an intervention without a single shot being fired and with no human casualties.”
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/20603
One other thought to ponder. The US/EU considers the overthrow of the legitimate Ukraine government by violent means through mob action somehow laudable. But when the Crimeans peacefully threw off the imposition upon them of an illegal government, this was considered an outrage. Why is that?
I won’t even mention the illegality of the US bombing of Serbia, the invasion of Iraq, the bombing of Libya, and the intervention in Syria.
First of all the agreement for naval base means just naval base. What Russian military did was that their special forces took over the parliament, confiscated all communication and recording equipment and then declared that a man whose party got 4% of the vote last election is now the Prime Minister.
Ivan Katchanovski is a Russian propagandist. There are many of them in academia. Minister Paet is fluent in Estonian, Russian, German and French and knows bad English. He issued a statement right after the article was published stating that what he said was that there are a lot of rumors being spread. That is what the weird phrase “there is strong understanding” meant.
Yanukovich got overthrown because he was a loser asshole. He campaigned on two things - 1. making the EU trade deal 2. reducing corruption. For the second part his son became the most successful industrialist in Ukraine dropping his career as dentist and suddenly winning more than 50% of the state contracts. For the EU trade deal he turned 180 and said he is not going to do it.
This caused protests against him and he introduced the laws that would make protests against him illegal. That move caused more people showing up to protests. Then he ordered these protesting beaten. That, surprisingly to him, caused an explosion in protest participants. Millions of people showed up after seeing how the peaceful protesters get beaten by Yanukovich’s thugs.
Isn’t it funny how Sevastopol magically changes into Crimea when the Russians see fit? Question is, are they that geograpically ignorant, or do they expect us to be?
I’ll get to your steaming pile of horse manure when I’m not typing on a phone.
“Hey, this refugee thing that we’ve all been touting is turning into a disaster. Let’s blame Pootie.” ~ Soros
Don’t forget, it was Russian soldiers joyriding APC’s “on leave,” according to the Kremlin. But no, there was no invasion . . . and polls of people afraid of being shot at gunpoint show that the invading troops were welcome.
Hey, let’s post Russian propaganda and watch “True” Conservatives purr like kittens.
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