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To: wardaddy

There are only two categories:

Natural
Naturalized

Natural is the same as Natural born.

There is no third category, never was.

The third category is fiction born of fear of Obama’s true allegiance and loyalties. They are valid fears.

However, the genuine fears of Obama’s loyalties should not be carried over to fine Americans such as Ted Cruz.

Pre-19th Amendment America allowed for natural citizens to be sons of American citizen fathers inside a legitimate marriage. Such natural citizens could be born at sea, in a territory (Barry Goldwater), or abroad if domicile was maintained inside the United States and other factors such as no record of renouncing American citizenship, etc.

Post-19th Amendment America allowed for natural citizens to be sons or daughters born of either or both an American citizen father or mother. And that is how it was codified into law and regulations. You should look it up.

Today natural citizen (meaning not naturalized) is a status given to any child born anywhere of a citizen parent that meets certain criteria. The criteria is the codification used to determine if naturalization is applicable or not.

You should review the history of President Madison in these matters. Everything I said above for pre-19th Amendment America is directly supported by such history.


94 posted on 01/21/2016 7:53:38 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage

I told you where the term natural born is used only twice by the founders

You ignore that same as Levin does cause it suits you which is disappointing in smart people

Cruz will be challenged

A court ....the big one I’d guess....will decide

It’s never been tested

It does not apply to Rubio or Jindal because because they were born on US soil

It would apply to Obama if born in Kenya to foreign dad

Will the courts rule that the 1795 act overrules the Constitution language and the 1790 language about natural born specifically?

I don’t know

It’s never come up

We are aware what parts of 1790 were superseded because they are specified in the 1795 act but the term natural born and the father clause is not amongst them

So we shall see if Cruz wins the nomination which looks less likely

Even though he’s one of my two choices

Truth matters especially constitution wise so let’s find out


96 posted on 01/21/2016 8:27:41 AM PST by wardaddy (Trump or Cruz.......its win win folks......so take a John Riggins pill .......lie on the carpet)
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