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What a Putin Propaganda Bonanza if ISIS Took That Plane Down with American Weaponry...
Reaganite Republican ^ | 03 October 2015 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/03/2015 4:03:32 AM PST by Reaganite Republican


Interesting how they're now saying 'US satellite detects heat flash 
suggesting a bomb' -if you look at the video you can see the flash at 00:14 with your own eyes...
sure looks like it to me, seems to be blowing-out the top of the fuselage:


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All 224 on-board were soon dead, scattered over 7 sq miles of desert less than 30 minutes after takeoff from Sharm-el-Shiekh. Most had been sucked-out of their seats at 31K feet. Odd sounds were heard in the cockpit, but no distress signal was ever sent. Internal technical problems and pilot error have been ruled out by the airline.

SOMEbody blew this thing up SOMEhow- but not necessarily with a 'bomb'.

Of course ISIS says they took the plane down -and issued the above video. They've also claimed to have done it with a missile.
Sinai branch of ISIS
 is supposedly on the verge of releasing a statement, but if they're smart they won't be telling us any more than they really need to..

Alas, it most certainly could have been hit by an advanced portable AA missile (rather than a bomb on-board) the kind the Egyptians said ISIS (in the Sinai) simply doesn't have. This seems to have become the leading theory in Moscow, they're now stating it was blown-apart by 'external' impact. The statement is significant, because they probably already also know if there were explosives involved by looking for residue on the little bits remaining.

Putin himself must think ISIS was behind it- he's already retaliating.

AND what if it does turn out to have been hit by an ISIS rocket- sure will be interesting when they deduce the country of origin, won't it. And what all did Hillary/CIA lose in Libya

Some may still doubt that ISIS had such sophisticated AA missiles -favoring the bomb theory. I would have leaned that way too in speculation,
but now the Russians say it was 'external'- meaning 'rocket' (or meteor), and after all it only took one...



TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: airbusa321; egypt; eritrea; iran; isis; kgl9268; kogalymavia; missile; propaganda; redsea; russia; russian; sharmelsheikh; sinai; sinaiplanecrash; stpetersburg; suezcanal; yemen
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To: Reaganite Republican
"The 9M33 missiles are 3.158 m (10.3 ft) long, weigh 126 kg (278 lb)"

Not exactly "Man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS or MPADS) are shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (SAMs)."

101 posted on 11/03/2015 12:06:51 PM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: WhiskeyX

“The maximum altitude for the SA-8 GECKO 9K33M3 Osa-AKM is 12,000 meters
________________

You obviously know the topic but 12000 meters IS 39,700 feet... I read one version does 42,500

The Assad cargo plane was shot down by SAM 8 smuggled in from Libya- the US/French/UK are the idiots that let Ghaddafi’s weapons get looted by Islamists:

‘a SA-8 GECKO was used to down a cargo plane around Damascus by Syrian rebels last year which is highly mobile and has the range of 40,000 feet, well within distance of the reported height (36,000 ft)’

http://therightscoop.com/heres-how-isis-could-have-shot-down-that-russian-airliner/


102 posted on 11/03/2015 12:42:10 PM PST by Reaganite Republican (FREEDOM ★ OPPORTUNITY ★ PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY)
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To: Reaganite Republican

We let them have vehicle based systems like that????
I missed that one
Anyways, I saw the claimed video, no smoke trail, I guess bomb, not shoot down

If that is the actual plane, that’s a stable video for an a/c at 30 angels!


103 posted on 11/03/2015 1:15:05 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: WhiskeyX

OK. Sorry I offended you.
You can trust whomever you like.
As for me? Trusting Federals is just a none starter and has been for damn near 50 years. Starting with the Gulf of Tonkin

I am still waiting for all of those WMD in Iraq.
Have you heard yet?


104 posted on 11/03/2015 1:58:15 PM PST by Tupelo (Honest men go to Washington, but honest men do not stay in Washington.)
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To: Tupelo

“OK. Sorry I offended you.”

You did not offend me. I was simply pointing to the fact you can use your own eyes and senses to see for yourself the visible wreckage of this aircraft quite obviously lacks the shrapnel damage from a missile of any kind, whereas Flight MH17 very obviously was riddled with shrapnel damage from a missile, and more specifically from a particular type of Russian warhead and missile whose pieces of shrapnel have their own particular size and shape. This is not a matter of trust or the false logic of an appeal to authority. It is direct physical evidence you can see with your own eyes.

“You can trust whomever you like.”

I go far more by the evidence and not by trust, because time and again people disappoint and prove themselves untrustworthy in and out of government. I don’t need to trust someone else’s opinions or conclusions in this case, because I can observe and evaluate the evidence for myself.

“As for me? Trusting Federals is just a none starter and has been for damn near 50 years. Starting with the Gulf of Tonkin”

Which means you have been gullible enough to fall for false Liberal anti-military propaganda. Yes, there were covert operations underway, and no the North Vietnamese were still the aggressors against U.S. forces on the High Seas and in South Vietnam for a very long time before the Gulf of Tonkin incident. So, your deep commitment to a belief in a conspiracy with respect to the Tonkin Gulf incident is terribly misinformed and wrong. If you are anything like most people who carry on moaning and groaning about the Tonkin Gulf incident, I would not be the least bit surprised to discover you have no interest in hearing or considering any evidence that debunks the whole conspiracy theory which holds the North Vietnamese to be innocents set upon by a Johnson Administration determined to invent a false flag operation to commit U.S. combat forces in Vietnam. President Johnson was, of course, and evil sort, but so were the North Vietnamese a far more evil sort who did in fact attack the U.S. armed forces before the Tonkin Gulf.

“I am still waiting for all of those WMD in Iraq.
Have you heard yet?”

That comment of yours fully qualifies you as a stooge, witting or unwitting, for the Democrat-communist Liberal haters. Numerous WMD were captured in Iraq, despite the fact the Russian Spetsnaz and intelligence services were feverishly removing the bulk of the WMD they could quickly lay their hands on in the days immediately preceding the Coalition invasion of Iraq’s territory. We all sat their in front of our televisions and watched the trucks haul the WMD out of Iraq along the highway into Syria. Other lesser WMD were captured in Iraq. We have one or more Freepers here who have already testified in this forum about their participation in these captures of the WMD, such as chemical weapons artillery shells with casings stamped with a French manufacturer. If you insist upon keeping up these wild conspiracy theories which hold there were no WMD in Iraq, we’ll have to dismiss you as being just another brain dead Liberal type who doesn’t want the evidence to spoil their nice and comfy little conspiracy theory, kinda like Dan Rather.


105 posted on 11/03/2015 5:43:11 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

CSI with photos.
Never met a prosecutor that would go to court with that one.
But You are da man so have at it.
I feel properly chastised.


106 posted on 11/03/2015 7:45:52 PM PST by Tupelo (Honest men go to Washington, but honest men do not stay in Washington.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The Russians don’t want to look like they have poor airline security or poor quality planes. So their assessment can’t be trusted. Their most desired explanation is that the plane was taken down by being struck by something in the air.


107 posted on 11/03/2015 7:48:36 PM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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Well, NOW the Russians say ‘no sign’ of missile- when two days it was an ‘external’ force, no they say no signs of that

Everybody thinks it’s a bomb except the Egyptians, who are still trying to salvage their tourist industry.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/us-egypt-crash-cause-idUSKCN0ST2HJ20151105


108 posted on 11/04/2015 10:29:59 PM PST by Reaganite Republican (FREEDOM - OPPORTUNITY - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY)
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