What a Putin Propaganda Bonanza if ISIS Took That Plane Down with American Weaponry...

Reaganite Republican ^ | 03 October 2015 | Reaganite Republican

[BwanaNdege]

"The 9M33 missiles are 3.158 m (10.3 ft) long, weigh 126 kg (278 lb)"

Not exactly "Man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS or MPADS) are shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles (SAMs)."

[Reaganite Republican]

“The maximum altitude for the SA-8 GECKO 9K33M3 Osa-AKM is 12,000 meters
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You obviously know the topic but 12000 meters IS 39,700 feet... I read one version does 42,500

The Assad cargo plane was shot down by SAM 8 smuggled in from Libya- the US/French/UK are the idiots that let Ghaddafi’s weapons get looted by Islamists:

‘a SA-8 GECKO was used to down a cargo plane around Damascus by Syrian rebels last year which is highly mobile and has the range of 40,000 feet, well within distance of the reported height (36,000 ft)’

http://therightscoop.com/heres-how-isis-could-have-shot-down-that-russian-airliner/

[RaceBannon]

We let them have vehicle based systems like that????
I missed that one
Anyways, I saw the claimed video, no smoke trail, I guess bomb, not shoot down

If that is the actual plane, that’s a stable video for an a/c at 30 angels!

[Tupelo]

OK. Sorry I offended you.
You can trust whomever you like.
As for me? Trusting Federals is just a none starter and has been for damn near 50 years. Starting with the Gulf of Tonkin

I am still waiting for all of those WMD in Iraq.
Have you heard yet?

[WhiskeyX]

“OK. Sorry I offended you.”

You did not offend me. I was simply pointing to the fact you can use your own eyes and senses to see for yourself the visible wreckage of this aircraft quite obviously lacks the shrapnel damage from a missile of any kind, whereas Flight MH17 very obviously was riddled with shrapnel damage from a missile, and more specifically from a particular type of Russian warhead and missile whose pieces of shrapnel have their own particular size and shape. This is not a matter of trust or the false logic of an appeal to authority. It is direct physical evidence you can see with your own eyes.

“You can trust whomever you like.”

I go far more by the evidence and not by trust, because time and again people disappoint and prove themselves untrustworthy in and out of government. I don’t need to trust someone else’s opinions or conclusions in this case, because I can observe and evaluate the evidence for myself.

“As for me? Trusting Federals is just a none starter and has been for damn near 50 years. Starting with the Gulf of Tonkin”

Which means you have been gullible enough to fall for false Liberal anti-military propaganda. Yes, there were covert operations underway, and no the North Vietnamese were still the aggressors against U.S. forces on the High Seas and in South Vietnam for a very long time before the Gulf of Tonkin incident. So, your deep commitment to a belief in a conspiracy with respect to the Tonkin Gulf incident is terribly misinformed and wrong. If you are anything like most people who carry on moaning and groaning about the Tonkin Gulf incident, I would not be the least bit surprised to discover you have no interest in hearing or considering any evidence that debunks the whole conspiracy theory which holds the North Vietnamese to be innocents set upon by a Johnson Administration determined to invent a false flag operation to commit U.S. combat forces in Vietnam. President Johnson was, of course, and evil sort, but so were the North Vietnamese a far more evil sort who did in fact attack the U.S. armed forces before the Tonkin Gulf.

“I am still waiting for all of those WMD in Iraq.
Have you heard yet?”

That comment of yours fully qualifies you as a stooge, witting or unwitting, for the Democrat-communist Liberal haters. Numerous WMD were captured in Iraq, despite the fact the Russian Spetsnaz and intelligence services were feverishly removing the bulk of the WMD they could quickly lay their hands on in the days immediately preceding the Coalition invasion of Iraq’s territory. We all sat their in front of our televisions and watched the trucks haul the WMD out of Iraq along the highway into Syria. Other lesser WMD were captured in Iraq. We have one or more Freepers here who have already testified in this forum about their participation in these captures of the WMD, such as chemical weapons artillery shells with casings stamped with a French manufacturer. If you insist upon keeping up these wild conspiracy theories which hold there were no WMD in Iraq, we’ll have to dismiss you as being just another brain dead Liberal type who doesn’t want the evidence to spoil their nice and comfy little conspiracy theory, kinda like Dan Rather.

[Tupelo]

CSI with photos.
Never met a prosecutor that would go to court with that one.
But You are da man so have at it.
I feel properly chastised.

[JediJones]

The Russians don’t want to look like they have poor airline security or poor quality planes. So their assessment can’t be trusted. Their most desired explanation is that the plane was taken down by being struck by something in the air.

[Reaganite Republican]

Well, NOW the Russians say ‘no sign’ of missile- when two days it was an ‘external’ force, no they say no signs of that

Everybody thinks it’s a bomb except the Egyptians, who are still trying to salvage their tourist industry.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/05/us-egypt-crash-cause-idUSKCN0ST2HJ20151105