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Greenfield: The Death of the American Welfare State
The Sultan Knish blog ^ | Friday, October 30, 2015 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 11/01/2015 8:18:39 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

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1 posted on 11/01/2015 8:18:39 AM PST by Louis Foxwell
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To: Louis Foxwell; daisy mae for the usa; AdvisorB; wizardoz; free-in-nyc; Vendome; Georgia Girl 2; ...

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

2 posted on 11/01/2015 8:19:57 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

“Rand Paul said, “It’s not Republicans’ fault, it’s not Democrats’ fault, it’s your grandparents’ fault for having too many damn kids.”

What a creep Rand Paul is.


3 posted on 11/01/2015 8:32:18 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Louis Foxwell

There’s welfare and then there’s SS. Take everyone off SS who is not a retired US citizen or a completely disabled US citizen and the rolls shrink significantly. SS has morphed way beyond what it was intended to be.

As for welfare same deal. Take the illegals off and require a 20 hour weekly workfare and the rolls probably drop in half.

Its not really that hard to fix but it will take some guts to ignore the screaming from the left and the MSM when you do it.


4 posted on 11/01/2015 8:35:24 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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Another idea for a fix: anybody who receives money for welfare in any form (to include social security), is welcome to as much as they can get; but, they forfeit their right to vote.

That would help preserve democracy as a stable system.

Only taxpayers can vote; and those who accept the dole, lose their ability to vote themselves more money.

Not perfect, but stable; and protective of the middle class.


5 posted on 11/01/2015 8:59:03 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

Social Security is not welfare in case you didn’t know. Its a mandatory pay in taken out of your paycheck for the 40 plus years you work as is medicare. When you retire you are entitled to it.


6 posted on 11/01/2015 9:01:16 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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“Its not really that hard to fix but it will take some guts”

Greenfield and you avoid specifics on the outcome of welfare state failure. We’ve heard over and over that our welfare machinery is going to break but no one gives serious thinking to what will happen when it breaks.

I think it will be various forms of chaos. That’s as good as I can do.


7 posted on 11/01/2015 9:17:24 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline

If its not fixed you are right there will be chaos.


8 posted on 11/01/2015 9:19:54 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Yes, but if functions like welfare. Most current recipients will receive far more from these entitlement programs than they ever contributed. Most future recipients will receive far less than they contribute.


9 posted on 11/01/2015 9:20:13 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Louis Foxwell
We can have low birth rates, deficit spending or Social Security; but there is no possible way that we can have all three. And yet we have all three.

We CAN have all three (at least for the moment) because we have a completely fiat, centrall-planned and manipulated currency from the Federal Reserve. Kill the Federal Reserve, and the nanny-state dies immediately.

10 posted on 11/01/2015 9:24:12 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Alberta's Child

I never said SS was the greatest concept in the world I said its not welfare. I would like to see younger workers transferred over to private savings as they will likely receive a lot more in benefits at age 65 than from SS.


11 posted on 11/01/2015 9:36:53 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Alberta's Child

Exactly

The geriatric FR crowd doesn’t get this simple fact.

Had they not had their thumbs up their asses in the ‘80s when Reagan and a Democratic Congress changed SS, they would have had far less stolen from them.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-04-10/social-security-and-the-ghost-of-ronald-reagan

As a fallback, the trust funders say that the bonds convey some sort of moral obligation. We made a deal with people, they say: higher taxes in the 1980s and onward in exchange for promised benefits. Because the program was overfunded in the early years, a significant chunk of those (regressive) payroll taxes helped fund Ronald Reagan’s tax cuts for the wealthy. Now that it’s their turn to pay higher taxes to fund Social Security, they’re trying to welsh.


12 posted on 11/01/2015 9:38:04 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

It is 100% welfare.

The money that young people put in today does not go into some account for them to access.

It goes directly to pay for the above 65 year old crowd in this country that will leech off those born after 1970 for the next 30-40 years


13 posted on 11/01/2015 9:38:58 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: MadIsh32

Its 100% not welfare. Get another idea. :-)


14 posted on 11/01/2015 9:41:47 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

When a 28 year old has 6.5% of his paycheck taken from him, where does that go?

To 75 grandma and grandpa sitting around at home, doing not much of anything.

That is welfare


15 posted on 11/01/2015 9:43:50 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/is-social-security-welfare/

“Social Security is welfare because there is no connection between the taxes paid and the benefits received. Take two men who are the same age and have identical incomes. One works for exactly 35 years, reaches full retirement age, and then retires. The other works for 45 years, reaches full retirement age, and then retires. Since Social Security benefits are based on the average of a worker’s 35 highest years of earnings, as related above, the benefit amount that these two men receive every month will be substantially the same. The fact that each man paid vastly different amounts into the system yet received basically the same benefits is irrefutable proof that there is no connection between Social Security taxes and benefits.”


16 posted on 11/01/2015 9:44:51 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: cymbeline

Greenfield posed your question in the final paragraph. Either Detroit deacy or Venezuelan violence. Probably both.


17 posted on 11/01/2015 9:46:04 AM PST by citizen (America is-or was-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: MadIsh32

The most unappealing thing about millenials is the constant whining. :-)


18 posted on 11/01/2015 9:46:26 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The most unappealing thing about boomers, besides completely screwing up the world, is the sense of entitlement :)


19 posted on 11/01/2015 9:47:43 AM PST by MadIsh32 (In order to be pro-market, sometimes you must be anti-big business)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I just wish they’d get a job and out of mom’s basement.


20 posted on 11/01/2015 9:52:18 AM PST by citizen (America is-or was-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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