Posted on 10/28/2015 10:16:55 AM PDT by ken5050
Ridiculous.
In September 2001 I proposed an 80-division expeditionary force to do the job. A lot of people here went on and on about dropping bombs instead.
Germany and Japan produced more war materials in 1945 than they did in 1944, and more in 1944 than in 1943.
There is no evidence - none whatsoever - that "strategic bombing" without invading and occupying legions does anything.
This discussion, like most of America, completely misunderestimates the nature of the war against the Islamo-Fascists. This isn’t (and never was) a “winnable” war by any accepted metric. Under best of circumstances, it only can be survived, it never can be won. To understand the true nature of the task set before us, you need to accept that this is The War Without End. There will NEVER be a celebration of the “Victory Over Islam.”
Point #1: There is no Islamo-Fascist Commander-in-Chief who can order all the Jihadis to lay down their suicide vests and play nice with the Jews and the Christians. And even if there were such a commander, and even if he did so order, that order largely would fall on deaf ears. It certainly would never meet with the same wide-spread compliance as did the orders from Hirohito and Jodl.
Point #2: There will always be radical Muslims as long as there are Muslims. Just like there always will be radical Baptists, NASCAR fans and soccer moms so long as there are Baptists, NASCAR fans, and soccer moms. And it wold not be enough to eliminate JUST the Islamsists, you also would have to eradicate the IDEA of Islam. Which means you would have to destroy every last mosque, every last Muslim holy place, every last copy of the Kuran, both print and digital, every last account of Islam in the history books and in the cinema and in the music industry, and then wipe out every human on earth’s collective memories of the existence of Islam. It’s an impossible task.
Point of fact, you can’t kill the “idea” of Islam, ergo there will always be radical Muslims. So the best you can hope for is to keep them at arm’s length.
As to the current conflict, it only can have one of two possible outcomes: either the Muslims overwhelm the west and install caliphate rule, or we play Whack-A-Muzzy until they grow tired of being slaughtered.
But WIN it? Ain’t gonna happen.
We're NOT fighting a war against a religion. We are (or should be) fighting a war against mohammedansim. Mohammedanism is not a religion, it's a violent, expansionist, all-encompassing totalitarian political ideology.
We get to live. Either we destroy mohammedanism, or the mohammedans will destroy us.
So you're saying the only course in Afghanistan is to destroy every Muslim in the country?
Right. Unless and until we take the war to Pakistan, and take out the madrassahs.
I’m saying that the only course in the world regarding mohammedanism is to destroy it as a political ideology the same way we destroyed German National Socialism as a political ideology. Kill as many moslems as necessary to make them quit fighting. Raze every mosque to the ground, grind the rubble to dust, and hang the leadership for crimes against humanity.
And no, Post 27 is neither a joke nor an exaggeration.
It’s the stone cold truth.
umm....we are down to ten Army divisions, from the twenty we had not too long ago.
just sayin’
I agree completely with you, except the strategy of neutering Iran. I think your order of battle is unrealistic.
Once we hit Iran with the first missile or bomb, we will be in total war with them. Iran will retaliate in numerous ways, from attacks on shipping to missile attacks on nearby US & allied bases & war ships. Iran will activate terrorist sleeper cells here at home & around the world. They wont sit by while we bomb the Nuclear facilities.
Iran has serious AA defense systems that must be destroyed before US aircraft can occupy Iranian air space. The Iranian nuclear facilities cannot be destroyed by missiles alone.
So I would wage that war in a little different order than you suggest.
First, I’d destroy command & control with missiles, making a special effort on the mullahs & all government officials & buildings. Then the air defenses, air force, navy, Republican Guard.
After that, I would destroy civilian infrastructure such that rivers are the only source of water. I’d destroy the electrical systems, denying the country light & power. I’d destroy every mosque & minaret. I make life impossible for Iranians.
The Iranians might want to talk at this point, but I wouldn’t accept anything less than unconditional surrender. I doubt they would agree to that.
Surrender or not, I’d land ground forces to completely invade the country, rooting out any final resistance. Install martial law, arrest former regime members & dissidents to be executed.
Once that is completed the nuclear facilities can be properly, thoroughly destroyed & verified.
What the Iranian do in the future I would leave to them, with the warning that we will do it again if they pursue nuclear weapons.
Couldn’t agree more.
Don't you think you'd better draft and train them first?
There wail also always be cockroaches. We can never wipe them out. But we fumigate en masse..we don’t try and kill the infestation by squishing them one at a time..
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