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To: Nero Germanicus
Now you’re just being silly and arguing just for the sake of argument.

Not at all. I am relating exactly what I've seen. We have plenty of historical documents and citations demonstrating that the Normal understanding of "natural born citizen" did not rely exclusively on birth in the nation, but instead upon allegiance as determined by the nationality of the Father.

We have plenty of historical documents demonstrating that certain activists (Predominately Rawle) made every effort to obfuscate this rational understanding to advance their political causes. (Abolition)

We understand that the 14th amendment was an example of where they accidentally, or perhaps deliberately, obfuscated the issue to advance the cause of Birth Citizenship for freed Black Slaves. We see where the Wong Kim Ark, (The Gray court, 5 Republicans and one Liberal Democrat against the Democrats on the Court) was used to advance a political agenda, and further obfuscated the original understanding of the term.

And we see subsequently where other legal minds, erroneously extending the Wong Kim Ark ruling far beyond it's intent, (Permanent residency required) has now created "Anchor Babies", "Birth Tourists", and now an Illegitimate President. (Who has made an utter muck of everything he's touched.)

No, the entire legal system has been deliberately misinformed from a very early time, and mostly to advance the political agenda of certain individuals in history.

And what is the fatal flaw in the "jus soli" understanding of the modern legal system? How several millions of slaves and Indians, as well as several thousands of the children of British Loyalists, are "exceptions" to the rule.

If it were the actual rule, there could not possibly be so many exceptions. That it was the rule is a fiction which people have bought into because it advanced their political cause at the time.

66 posted on 10/26/2015 7:15:26 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

If you could find a member of Congress, a governor, a state legislator, a member of a state elections board, or a judge to champion that historical analysis/ legal theory, you’d be cooking with gas.


67 posted on 10/26/2015 9:14:49 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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