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To: nathanbedford

the whole of the US isn’t wasteland, far from it- most of it is pristine land- which the federal government has confiscated for their own-

Sure there are parts that aren’t inhabitable, but the big picture here is that if we can fit 9 billion people in just one state, with room to spare, then we can certainly fit 300 million no problemo- with vast room to spare-

I had a chart of howm uch land is infact habitable, and it was a large % of the land-

People like Ted Turner claiming we’re ‘running out of room’ and advocating culling people (Yes- he thinks that is a good idea) Have their head up their butts because they either don’t know the facts, or they do and are trying to deceive the world into thinking we’re ‘running out of space’- It’s a lie=- we are not- We’re not even a tiny bit close to running out of space


35 posted on 10/03/2015 2:21:44 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434; Gondring
I had a chart of howm uch land is infact habitable, and it was a large % of the land-

Well for heaven sakes man why have you been keeping this chart a secret? Why haven't you shown it to the people of Los Angeles and to the people of Las Vegas begging for water? Why haven't you shown it to the people who are sitting in traffic jams in New Jersey for hours in commutes? The truth is there is very little habitable and attractive land with good climate where people want to live. The idea that you're going to put 9 billion people in the wastes of West Texas is too absurd to debate.

But let us consider the idea of installing 9 billion people in one state and I will show you a dystopia rivaling our worst prisons. State control of everything would be mandatory; there will be no liberty. Everything, and I mean everything including air, light, water and exercise space for children would be rationed. The more density the less quality of life, the more density the less liberty.

The absolute number of people competing for space on the highways, for public services, for a hearing in our courts, our fish stocks, our beaches, our waterways, our land-use, all compete against one another for these resources. Inevitably, the government must arbitrate among these competing claims. Inevitably, those free beaches will be denied you and you will lose that liberty, just as you have lost your liberty to freely fish, to hunt, to build on your own land, to visit our national parks, to maintain animals on your property, etc. Do you really think your right to drink soda from a 16 ounce cup is in jeopardy in sparsely populated North Dakota as it is in densely populated New York City? Do you really think in a society of 310 million people we can survive without zoning laws limiting your right to use your property? You just lost liberty. It was not so when I was a youngster with 140 million people.

This is not a conservative question, we don't have to deny that there is insufficient habitable and desirable land for the doubling of American population every fifty years in order to maintain our conservative credentials. I don't know where this notion that growing population is good comes from among conservatives. Is it because misguided conservatives do not want to admit a predicate that allows for abortion? Is it because there is a Roman Catholic tradition that does not want to admit a predicate for birth control? Is it to sustain the Wall Street Journal's editorial approach of open borders? Is it because there is a misguided conservative tradition that no land use controls can be accepted even when we need actual protection from our neighbors?

The idea of Jeffersonian democracy, the idea of the New England Cracker Barrel democracy, only works when there is sufficient space for man to live independent both of his neighbor and the government. Double your population and halve your liberties


36 posted on 10/03/2015 3:08:25 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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