Judgment For Refusing The White Man's Burden

vk.com ^ | Sep 24, 2015 | Yulia Latynina

[annalex]

The guiding philosophy is that they themselves are not doing well [...] Liberals, on the other hand, are plagued constantly by concerns that their wealth comes at the expense of others

Yes, that is true. This is why American liberalism never really got in bed with Marxism, a few traitors notwithstanding. That explains the motivation. That does not explain the policy. Indeed, Western governments are not driven by barbra-streisand airheads; these are well educated, capable of logical thought, with access to every technological resource people. If not themselves, then their advisers would tell them that putting hundreds of thousands of people without skills or property, that belong to different and hostile religion and culture, would disproportionately hurt not the ruling class but the indigenous working class. Why do they do it to their own, -- German, Dutch, British poor?

Further, there is no need to be all that liberal politically to be compassionate to the refugees. Christian leaders, including conservative ones, call for charity too -- it is their job. At issue here is not humanitarianism but a destructive policy aimed at the national working class.

I still think that at work here is an active desire to destroy the Western civilization. It is not just do-goodism. The natural sentiments of compassion, that resonate especially well with the liberals, but are not unique to them, are how the enemy of our civilization sells these policies to the masses in the developed countries. The natural sentiments of envy and desire for equality and justice is how the enemy of the Western civilization sold Marxism to the masses a century ago. The sentiments differ, the end result is the same: erasure of national identities, destruction or rational economy, submission of religion to the state, formation of dictatorial ruling class.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

Indeed, Western governments are not driven by barbra-streisand airheads; these are well educated, capable of logical thought, with access to every technological resource people.

The evidence says otherwise - guilt is a powerful force in human behavior, and what we see says that liberal guilt can and has suborned logical thought. At the very least, it guides and shapes liberal political philosophy, and certainly shapes liberal political posturing. Being perceived as "compassionate" is an essential part of liberal politics, regardless of the societal cost.

[annalex]

What “evidence” you have in mind? You don’t think Cameron, Hollande and Merkel are well educated and have technocratic resources?

Why is this guilt not directed toward their own people?

[AnotherUnixGeek]

What “evidence” you have in mind? You don’t think Cameron, Hollande and Merkel are well educated and have technocratic resources?

The best evidence - their actions. As I said, being perceived as "compassionate" is an essential part of liberal politics, regardless of societal cost.

Why is this guilt not directed toward their own people?

It is. They nurture massive welfare states. But liberal guilt doesn't just mean nanny-state welfare for your own people, it also involves hectoring them with call for "tolerance" toward others who choose to move in to your nation, lock, stock and barrel.

[annalex]

Well, let’s hope that’s all there is. I still think that the situation is more sinister than just a nanny state running amok.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

Well, let’s hope that’s all there is. I still think that the situation is more sinister than just a nanny state running amok.

The nanny-state is sinister enough - there's no comfort to be had in this, it's more than enough to destroy Western nations.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

Just to amplify - decadence and misplaced guilt are just as bad as active malice. Maybe worse.

[annalex]

No. Liberalism alone would stop at national self-destruction. What we have here is deliberate self-destruction.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

No. Liberalism alone would stop at national self-destruction.

The things set in motion by liberalism can't be stopped after a certain point. A nation can't say "enough" at the moment it's being dragged over the edge of the cliff. The impetus toward self-destruction is an in-built part of liberal guilt and self-loathing.

[annalex]

But you agree then that the problem is not merely economical? It is a matter of national identity and therefore national existence. It is no longer a matter of “how much in the budget we allocate for Muslim refugees”.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

But you agree then that the problem is not merely economical? It is a matter of national identity and therefore national existence.

Of course, the problem is not merely economical. Part of liberal guilt and self-loathing is the belief that even to think of preserving a national, ethnic identity is wrong and racist.

[annalex]

Good; thank you for the good discussion.

[AnotherUnixGeek]

And thank you too. Interesting discussion.