Posted on 09/17/2015 2:10:35 AM PDT by smoothsailing
September 17, 2015
by sundance
Baseline – Going into the debate all the candidates, other than Trump, had something to gain and little to lose. Donald Trump had everything to lose and little to gain. With that in mind:
Carly Fiorina will most likely be represented to the public as the “winner” by the professional legacy media structures. New York and Park Row will advance a specific pro-Carly meme; in part out of necessity for their financial overall objectives and interests.
However, for the high-information voter, all of the 30-second talking points -which will be highlighted as reasoning for her great performance- were really just repetition of well-rehearsed sound bites we have heard before.
None, absolutely NONE, of the Carly applause lines were original. Fiorina has used each and every one of them before in the exact same word and sentence structure.
The visibly negative aspect to Carly’s performance was her zealously in delivering those well-rehearsed points; increasingly evident in her interruptions to present them. Seven times in the first 3/4 of the debate Carly was exclaiming “jake”, “jake”…. or “Dana”, “Dana”,… in her effort to deliver them. It was simply too much. And was also transparently obvious based on twitter recognitions therein.
However, for the lower information voter it was probably less noticeable.
Jeb Bush did terribly. Like Fiorina when he was given the time for his script he sounded just like he did when he was in the bathroom rehearsing them at home.
However, when he was not on script he seemed small and wonky. If there was a loser in the debate it would probably be Jeb because he needed to get back some of his polled loses; he didn’t.
From a Wall Street perspective Jeb Bush did not deliver the goods, and that doesn’t portend well for his long term considerations. Those who are financing his campaign have been given assurances; those assurances are not being met.
Anticipate static Jeb polling or perhaps even lower polling moving forward.
Ben Carson also suffered a bit from seeming small against the backdrop. It would not be a surprise to see some of Carson’s “outsider” but anti-vulgarian support, (especially the lower information and emotional voter), jump ship and land on Team Carly giving her a modest lift.
Obviously either Carson or Fiorina will work well for the current needs of the Wall Street Jeb crews. They don’t really care which person fits the bill, just get Trump’s coalition split ASAP is all they require.
[ Expect Karl Rove to soften his approach of favorability toward Carson, and begin to lift up Fiorina. It will be subtle but the objectives with each are the same. ]
In essence, Carson held his own, but didn’t advance himself.
Marco Rubio did well. Like Fiorina he’s well scripted for 30-60 second sound bites based on all of his media appearances where short direct points are an asset.
However, on the down-side he sounded more like he was applying for Secretary of State or President of the 2016 U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
For some reason Rubio’s nervousness comes across on TV. When he’s comfortable with the topic he’s on message and sharp; however, when he’s uncomfortable his delivery is awkward and bothersome.
Scott Walker didn’t advance nor damage his cause. Unfortunately given his 3, 2, 2, 5, 1 results in the last five polls, he did not provide a solid reason he should be polling higher.
Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Ohio Governor John Kasich took the high-road as expected, but were essentially invisible amid the issues of the day. They presented themselves as typical Republican brand holders.
Rand Paul needed a good debate and while he made some good points in a general sense, he gave the impression of phoning it in. Overall no substantive benefit from the debate. Also, Rand Paul tweeted out in the later commercial break for a fundraising drive to “help him finish”. It appeared awkward at best.
Ted Cruz didn’t appear to have as much time to respond perhaps due to the structure which was heavily weighted to use “Trump said _____” to question the other candidates. Because there’s been no substantive disagreements between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, this format decision put him on the losing end of debate time.
Chris Christie also did well; actually, none of the candidates did “badly”. The polling support that Jeb or the other establishment candidates may lose will probably go to Chris Christie. Oddly, Christie was able to come off as more conservative in this debate. I somewhat expect a bit of a bounce from this coalescing anomaly to head to Christie.
This leaves Donald Trump – the candidate who had everything to lose and nothing to gain.
He maneuvered his way through the debate well despite the framework of the questions which were transparently structured to have the other ten candidates, sans Cruz, attack him.
Unpredictable Trump was again remarkably able to be unpredictable Trump; and in doing so he solidifies an oddly appealing authenticity. Because he was able to navigate the various angles of incoming, and simultaneously express non-political authenticity, he exits the debate unscathed.
The final question/answer by Donald Trump was excellent and summed up his candidacy: “Actions speak louder than words – what you heard tonight was a lot of words, what I will deliver is action“.
Specifically because Trump exits unscathed, he also wins.
ps. Three Hours is TOO LONG! I have a hunch many viewers tuned out after hour 2.
Try comprehension. I didn’t say Trump compared to Reagan. I said your comment about Trump compared to comments made about Reagan. Big difference, sport.
Telling it like it is. And that picture of creepy Joe and Hillary says it all, to finish.
Lord no, I'd rather strip search Helen Thomas.
Sport, your mentioning the braggart, blowhard, boorish Trump in any context while discussing the wise, modest, successful, principled-conservative Reagan is an attempt to deflect accurate criticisms of Trump by noting unfair ones of Reagan. It’s a false equivalency.
the MSM is working hard to patch her back up. We need to keep her bleeding.
Trump could run on the ticket. He could be on the same ballot in his home state running for the US Congress. His own over inflated ego would never allow him, though, to serve in the People’s House. He can only see himself as the Executive.
I’ll mention what I choose, you blithering dingbat. Your comments are worthless, just like all haters.
I didn’t tune in either, saw some clips later.
Watched the Pirates-Cubs game instead. My guys lost. :(
Wow, crybaby Trump supporter.
Are you serious?
Stop peeing on your shoes, it’s smelling up the thread.
Western movies for me; I needed to see the “GOOD GUYS WIN” for a change.
Trump didn't have a great night but was the center of attention. The plan to destroy him is obvious. Will it work? I don't think so as of the moment. /my two cents
Have you ever been with a group of guys talking about football or sports and there’s one guy who clearly has no clue about the subject matter? So instead of risking saying something stupid he nods, makes faces, cracks a joke and jumps on the most superficial aspects of the conversation to compensate for ignorance. That was/is Trump in these debates.
Sorry, I know there is a lot of lov’n for trump in this thread but I’m baffled over it. Is anyone else curious over this butt-licking love fest the mainstream media is showering Trump with? One thing I’ve learned from following politics over the last 30 years is it’s very telling to see which republican candidates the mainstream media is either propping up or destroying.
Let the attacks begin....
“He can only see himself as the Executive”
Yes of course and that is what he is, right? He is comfortable being in charge because he is a leader. A leader leads and will not “settle” for second place. This is not new. We have seen many politicians refuse to agree to run as VP because they won’t settle for second place.
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