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To: DoodleDawg
In 1848 he said that: "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better-- This is a most valuable, -- a most sacred right."

So do you agree or disagree with Lincoln here? Do people have the right to self government or not?

The secession of a state from the Union depends on the will of the people of such state

This is the main point, a theme taken directly from the Declaration of Independence. The part about the legislatures adding this to their constitutions is something he is strongly recommending (because he believes, as you see, that this right will be abused). Their is no law anywhere saying that such is a requirement to leave.

543 posted on 07/21/2015 4:20:33 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
So do you agree or disagree with Lincoln here? Do people have the right to self government or not?

Lincoln was speaking of the right to rebellion. You have the right to try. You don't have a right to win.

This is the main point, a theme taken directly from the Declaration of Independence. The part about the legislatures adding this to their constitutions is something he is strongly recommending (because he believes, as you see, that this right will be abused). Their is no law anywhere saying that such is a requirement to leave.

Rawle is not suggesting anything. He is stating legal fact as he sees it.

544 posted on 07/21/2015 5:13:05 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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