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To: Sherman Logan
“If you can find a couple of quotes from the Founders to show that they did not intend to include blacks or slaves, I’ll be glad to say I was mistaken.”

“Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free; nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be, pari passu, filled up by free white laborers.” - Thomas Jefferson

“In answer, I say, that, at the time I drew that constitution, I perfectly knew that there did not then exist such a thing in the Union as a black or colored citizen, nor could I then have conceived it possible that such a thing could have ever existed in it; nor, notwithstanding all that has been said on the subject, do I now believe one does exist in it.” - Charles Pinckney

35 posted on 07/11/2015 7:23:15 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem

tWell, Charley was incorrect. Black free men were legally full citizens in five states, including the franchise. One of those states was North Carolina, just to his north. Which allowed black men meeting the property qualifications to vote till a new state constitution was enacted in 1835.

To be fair, in some of these states the franchise may have been more theoretically than practically effective.

I’m not sure your Jefferson quote meets the specifications, as it does not deny that black men have the right to be free, only that they can’t live together with white men, a quite different idea.

But the Pinckney quote does qualify, no matter how ignorant he was of the facts.


37 posted on 07/11/2015 7:38:38 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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