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Solar Fossil Fueled Fantasies
Watts Up With That? ^ | June 15, 2015 | By Willis Eschenbach

Posted on 06/16/2015 10:20:46 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

Sometimes when I’m reading about renewable technologies, I just break out laughing at the madness that the war on carbon has wrought. Consider the Ivanpah solar tower electric power plant. It covers five square miles in Southern California with mirrors which are all focusing the sun on a central tower. The concentrated sunlight boils water that is used to run a steam turbine to generate electricity.

Sounds like at a minimum it would be ecologically neutral … but unfortunately, the Law of Unintended Consequences never sleeps, and the Ivanpah tower has turned out to be a death trap for birds, killing hundreds and hundreds every year:

“After several studies, the conclusion for why birds are drawn to the searing beams of the solar field goes like this: Insects are attracted to the bright light of the reflecting mirrors, much as moths are lured to a porch light. Small birds — insect eaters such as finches, swallows and warblers — go after the bugs. In turn, predators such as hawks and falcons pursue the smaller birds.

But once the birds enter the focal field of the mirrors, called the “solar flux,” injury or death can occur in a few seconds. The reflected light from the mirrors is 800 to 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Either the birds are incinerated in flight; their feathers are singed, causing them to fall to their deaths; or they are too injured to fly and are killed on the ground by predators, according to a report by the National Fish and Wildlife Forensics Laboratory.”

– David Danelski, Solar: Ivanpah Solar Described as Deadly Trap for Wildlife,” Riverside-Press Enterprise, April 8, 2014. . .

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To: Notthemomma

He he he...good one.


21 posted on 06/16/2015 2:08:25 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts ("It is never untimely to yank the rope of freedom's bell." - - Frank Capra)
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To: alloysteel

From French Embassy website:

Nuclear energy is the cornerstone of french energy policy.
In the ‘70s France chose to develop nuclear as its base load electricity source as a response to the oil crisis and assure its energy independence.

Nuclear Electricity Production: France currently counts 58 commercial nuclear reactors in operation responsible for producing 80% of French domestic electricity. As a comparison, the 104 US reactors produces 20% of US electricity.Despite scarce natural resources, France has reached an energy independence of 50% thanks to its strategic choice for nuclear energy.

Environment: As well as providing safe and reliable energy, nuclear helps to reduce French greenhouse gas emissions by avoiding the release of 31 billions tones of carbon dioxide (contrary to coal or gas generation) and making France the less carbon emitting country within the OECD.
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22 posted on 06/16/2015 2:32:33 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: alloysteel
LFTR, or TMSR in general, is our energy future, not petroleum, nuclear or solar. I wish our government would run with this.

Someone have a chat with Ted Cruz!

23 posted on 06/16/2015 3:24:44 PM PDT by Praxeologue ( ')
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I frequently read references to birds burned or incinerated by these solar plants, but I wonder what the distances are where the birds are not burned but are blinded by the light and what becomes of them. It must be something like looking at the sun through a magnifying glass.


24 posted on 06/16/2015 5:08:33 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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In that case, a Hillary presidency will be a coast-to-coast death trap for birds!

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25 posted on 06/16/2015 5:33:06 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Cancer-free since 1988! US out of UN! UN out of US!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

speaking of solar and nirds

Hillary is far too Odd a DUCK to ever be elected...legally


26 posted on 06/16/2015 6:31:37 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: thackney
The Ivanpah solar power plant discussed here uses Fin-Fan type coolers. The steam-water never leaves the pipes. The cooling is done with the passage of air over the radiators, like a car engine.

I would think that a closed loop "radiator" would require a much thicker wall thickness for the tubing because the steam and condensed water would be at the same pressure as the exhaust steam from the turbines. A thicker walled tube would reduce the rate of heat transfer and require a larger radiator to dissipate the heat of condensation. Overall, it seems to be rather inefficient, given that the radiator is exposed to desert conditions as a heat sink.

Wasn't this sort of power plant tried in Spain? I seem to recall that it didn't move up to large scale use. Passing clouds produced swings in "solar flux" which translated to transient stresses in the boiler.

Regards,
GtG

PS A solar power plant suffers from the same deficiencies as does a wind turbine. The quixotic nature of the energy input means that both require nuclear or fossil fueled backups for the grid to be reliable.

27 posted on 06/17/2015 6:32:11 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for all the links. I bookmarked them and posted a story from TerraDaily:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3301181/posts


28 posted on 06/17/2015 8:18:41 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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