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‘Beautiful Mind’ Mathematician John Nash Replaced Einstein’s Theory Of Relativity Days Before Death
The Inquisitr News ^ | May 30, 2015 | Tara West

Posted on 06/01/2015 12:19:56 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: no-to-illegals
The (supposed) fact that the speed of light is the same for ALL observers, regardless of their state of relative motion, means that time (and space) cannot be absolute quantities. They vary with the state of relative motion between observers.


http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/252/srelwhat.html

21 posted on 06/01/2015 1:55:32 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

also is the pesky fact that the speed of light has been shown to vary ... too complex for my thought processes and am going to have to sleep on the graph ... At least the graph has some flat surfaces ...


22 posted on 06/01/2015 1:58:12 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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To: ETL

maybe it is as simple as understanding Buzz Light Year ... To Infinity and Beyond


23 posted on 06/01/2015 2:00:40 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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The mathematical relationship between the two paths is simply based on the Pythagorean Theorem for right-triangles that many of us used in high school.

Here is that mathematical relationship (between time as perceived by the two different observers) that is derived from the familiar Pythagorean Theorem (a squared + b squared = c squared, c being the longest leg of the 90 degree (right) triangle depicted in the above illustration):

\Delta t' = \frac{\Delta t}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}
where delta t' = the time in one frame of reference, and delta t = the time in the other. v = the rate of relative motion between the two, c = the speed of light

24 posted on 06/01/2015 2:02:58 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

one problem ... space does not always allow for right triangles instead space/time, according to Einstein, warps or curves based upon perceived orbits observed and unknown orbits unobserved yet perceived? And the search for the point of universe origin is perceive as a single point in time/space ... ?


25 posted on 06/01/2015 2:07:39 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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To: no-to-illegals
also is the pesky fact that the speed of light has been shown to vary

Light itself does vary its speed through different materials, but the 'speed of light' is also the universal speed limit to which events can propagate. ie, light itself can at times move slower than the speed of light.

26 posted on 06/01/2015 2:07:43 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

am asking too many questions ... One final question and will leave for the evening/morning ... Is the equation contest still ongoing or have the set of equations posed been solved, money paid, and new set of equations posed?


27 posted on 06/01/2015 2:10:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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To: no-to-illegals
one problem ... space does not always allow for right triangles instead space/time, according to Einstein, warps or curves

That perceived "curvature" is merely a series of linear (straight line) events as depicted in the graphic--a series of linear events stacked onto one another. Curved space falls under General Relativity. GE deals with ACCELERATED rates of relative motion (in addition to uniform/constant rates of relative motion, as described by Special Relativity). The graphic depicts a state of constant motion between two observers (v), and thus would fall under Special Relativity. GE is therefore the more complete of the two theories.

In other words, if the rate of relative motion ("v") as depicted in this graphic was less than depicted, the angle of the line would be closer to vertical than in the graphic. If the rate were greater, it would be closer to horizontal, the extreme (but impossible) case being v=c, where the light pulse would NEVER reach the opposite end of the apparatus. Of course if v=c, time would be precisely the same for both observers, as there would be no relative motion between them. They would be "at rest" with respect to each other.

28 posted on 06/01/2015 2:27:09 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The dictum of math teachers from first grade onward: “Show your work.”


29 posted on 06/01/2015 2:30:57 AM PDT by onedoug
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ie, if rate of relative motion was changing (accelerated relative motion as described in GR) the angle of the line would constantly change resulting in a ‘curved’ line, as opposed to a straight one as depicted in the graphic.

GE in my previous posts should have been GR.


30 posted on 06/01/2015 2:31:26 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL

and perception is ‘v’ can only equal ‘c’ during a nuclear explosion ... so to attain ‘t’ constant ... ‘v’ would equal ‘c’


31 posted on 06/01/2015 2:32:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I KNEW the Pope was involved somehow.


32 posted on 06/01/2015 2:34:59 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: no-to-illegals
problem for me is ... is too complex for my feeble mind to comprehend

The way Calvin's dad explained it, the reason time goes slower at great speed is "because you keep changing time zones. See, if you fly to California, you gain three hours on a five hour flight, right? So if you go at the speed of light, you gain MORE time, because it doesn't take as long to get there. Of course, the theory of relativity only works if you're going west."

http://www.s-anand.net/blog/calvin-and-hobbes-dad-explains-science/

This seems pretty simple to me, not hard to understand at all.

33 posted on 06/01/2015 2:43:33 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: no-to-illegals
and perception is ‘v’ can only equal ‘c’ during a nuclear explosion

Where did you read or hear that? It is impossible for v to equal c. Theory states it would require an infinite amount of energy to accelerate something to c, the speed of light. Energy is not infinite in the universe. As things accelerate towards light speed their mass increases more and more, to the point where it would get harder and harder to accelerate them. As the acceleration moves the object close to light speed, its mass would grow towards infinity. In the impossible case of v=c, the mass would be infinite.

34 posted on 06/01/2015 2:48:24 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
ah but if one believes there is no absolute 't' the equations will prove there is but only at the location of the occurrence of velocity equaling the speed of light unless velocity and the speed of light vary from point to point as it would vary ... thus to believe time was gained in order to utilize over and over would require time to be absolute ... would it not?
35 posted on 06/01/2015 2:49:48 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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To: ETL
or it might be something as small as a 'sun' or 'star'?
36 posted on 06/01/2015 2:51:38 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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To: ETL
my apology ETL ... am not a mathematician/physicist/scientist and my questions are based strictly on thought patterns undecipherable by my own mind ... Always reach the point of where have no idea what am thinking or discussing ... That's normally where someone cusses me but that's okay ...
37 posted on 06/01/2015 2:56:12 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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To: no-to-illegals

Absolutely! I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds right!


38 posted on 06/01/2015 2:58:32 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Nope ... am wrong ... bet on it!


39 posted on 06/01/2015 3:01:13 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Do what is Right ... Take This Freepathon Over the Top!!!)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; 2ndDivisionVet
"Those equations would have allowed us to create working time machines."

You can't travel through something that isn't there.

40 posted on 06/01/2015 3:01:52 AM PDT by shibumi ("Walk Through the Fire, Fly Through the Smoke")
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