Oh dear Lord.
Posted on 05/17/2015 8:53:48 PM PDT by martin_fierro
This is the Game of Thrones S05E06 discussion thread. If you haven't seen this episode yet there may be spoilers here.
Ok - I get the fact that they didn’t go the book route and use the Jayne Poole/Fake Arya storyline with the Boltons and the wedding to Ramsey. However, using Sansa’s character in the show’s story line doesn’t make sense. She’s been on the run since being smuggled out of King’s Landing right after the Purple Wedding. Changes her name, flees with Baelish to the Eyrie, then all of a sudden breaks character, takes back her name, and goes to Winterfell. The Bolton’s are loyal to the Lannisters. Wouldn’t she (and Baelish, for that matter) avoid going there in the first place, where she could easily be ratted out and sent back to Kings Landing?
It’s as if the show writers have forgotten all about the fact that she’s supposed to be in hiding. Or am I missing something?
When Red lady (I still don't know half the names after five seasons) said the blood of kings ran through him, that's when I thought he couldn't be Ned's son.
I don’t think Rhaegar would do that, he loved her. Gave her the blue rose after winning the tournament, bypassing his own wife. Robert claimed that Rhaegar had kidnapped her and kept her in that tower for almost a year, but I don’t think that was the case. I think they were in love and running away.
Ned rescued her from the tower, where she was laying in “a bed of blood”. Her last words to him were ‘Promise me, Ned.’
The only other living person who was aware of that conversation is Howland Reed (Jojen and Meera’s father), who hasn’t been mentioned since Book 1. GRRM says that Howland will make an appearance in the next book....but that could not necessarily be the case.
Also, one of Danerys visions was of a “blue rose coming out of a wall of ice”. The prophecy is that the ‘Dragon has Three Heads’, yet Rhaegar had only two legitimate children with his wife. Jon possibly being the third.
R+L=J is the strongest theory that I’ve seen regarding Jon’s parentage.
I also hold that Jon is Azor Assai reborn (not Stannis, as Melisandre portends).
I’m putting my money on Jon and Danerys ending up together before all is said and done (with Bran able to control the dragons through his warg/greenseeing training)
Just a hunch but if it is really expensive to hire the faceless men to carry out an assassination and Meryn Trant is accompanying Mace Tyrell to Bravos and everybody seems to know that Trant is a Lannister henchman bought and paid for. Would it not make sense for the most wealthy house in Westerose to hedge their bets against the Lannisters and take a hit out on Trant to protect Mace???
I also subscribe to the R + L = J theory. And they sure were hinting very strongly in favor of it in episode 4!
If this theory is correct, then Daenerys would be Jon’s aunt. And Ned Stark would be Jon’s uncle instead of his father.
...hopefully that all means that Jon Snow moves south, gets rid of those heavy black clothes, and wears a loin cloth :)
>>And they sure were hinting very strongly in favor of it in episode 4<<
I geeked out during both of those scenes. “SEE?!” I said to my wife, who just shook her head and went back to her Kindle.
LOL!
I was disappointed about how Sansa started out strong in last night’s episode, but then that last scene with her and Ramsay was horrible. :(
I do think that she was learning how to “play the game” first from Margery and Lady Olenna and later from Littlefinger. However, Littlefinger left her at Winterfell seemingly without any guards or protection at all. I didn’t see any of the knights from the Vale who had traveled with her and Littlefinger at her wedding to Ramsay. I assume that Littlefinger took them all with him when he went to Kings Landing.
But, she does have at least one ally in Brienne and possibly also Theon. I hope Brienne can rescue her and get some Stark revenge on the Boltons!
That was from Robert Baratheon's incomplete (and total anti-Targaryen) perspective. Everyone else who actually knew Rhaegar Targaryen thought he was a great guy, basically the male version of Dany.
The Starks are descended from the Kings of the North, so it's possible that Melisandre is referring to that. Or, she could be giving support to the R + L = J theory.
Personally, I think that Rhaegar and Lyanna ran off together, and the promise that Ned made to his sister as she was dying was to protect her baby, and he decided to do so by lying about the baby's identity.
I'm going with the drragons. They laid waste once before.
I’m not sure the faceless men work that way. They seem to have their own way of determining who they target, and for specific reasons. I’m not convinced they’re “for hire” per se.
>> I hope Brienne can rescue her and get some Stark revenge on the Boltons!<<
Someone’s got to, since the Mance Rayder/Bard/Spearwives angle got squashed...
Oh dear Lord.
Consummated or not, Tyrian is her husband. Maybe he will come and gut that evil Ramsey. I hope so.
That would be awesome! :D
Yikes! O_O
The Faceless Men are for hire
In the scene at the House of Black and White where Multi-faced Guy whips Aya every time she lies during the Game of Faces ...
... he says, "A girl lies ... to ME?"
In every other instance he refers to himself as "A man."
Intredasting.
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