WV: Case Illustrates how Fisticuffs Justify Deadly Force

Gun Watch ^ | 20 April, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

You are not required to take a beating before you use deadly force in self defense.

[Fido969]

I have explained in previous articles how someone threatening to punch you is a potentially deadly threat.

That's the modern police philosophy. Kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out.

[ForYourChildren]

Here is another what I would call a good shooting:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/07/tim-mcnabb/black-man-shoots-white-teen-jury-says-self-defense-and-nobody-cares/

“Roderick Scott went out of his house to confront a trio of punks breaking into cars in his Greece, New York neighborhood. Scott’s story was that he fired two rounds at one of them when the young man charged him after being told to freeze and wait for the cops”

[Vigilanteman]

Yep. Context is also important. If a scrawny little runt 6" shorter and 130# lighter than me is threatening to beat me to a pulp and comes at me, I am obligated to first trying to step aside, reach out an arm to block him or something of the sort.

But if he is younger, stronger and obviously someone I couldn't dissuade with aforementioned tactics, I am well within my rights to stop him with an equalizer even if he doesn't hit me first.

[Celtic Conservative]

As I was taught in my law enforcement "use of force" classes any blow to the head is deadly force and may be met with a commensurate response.

CC

[dp0622]

I boxed in late teens and twenties. One punch fractured my cheekbone another single blow broke my rib
anther shot made me eat soft baby food for about 2 weeks.
I had a crazy hockey player friend who punched through a MASK in a fight. He later boxed. He was Irish and insane lol. He could have killed someone with his fists with maybe six or seven shots to the head.
had a friend who fought Holyfield. He lasted three rounds and was unrecognizable for weeks.

[RightOnTheBorder]

You are not required to take a beating before you use deadly force in self defense.

Apparently the cops and prosecutor in Princeton WV think you do. Given what was reported in the news about this it never should have gone to trial. Once again the process is the punishment.

[zeestephen]

Re: “Fisticuffs Justify Deadly Force”

Completely agree.

Murder by weapon type:

Shotguns - about 400 per year
Rifles - about 400 per year
Hands, Fists, and Feet - about 800 per year

[Bob434]

[[If a scrawny little runt 6” shorter and 130# lighter than me is threatening to beat me to a pulp and comes at me, I am obligated to first trying to step aside]]

How would you know that that person isn’t a flyweight MMA fighter? ‘skinny and scrawny’ is meaningless- you said ‘in context’ so ‘skinny and scrawny’ ‘could be’ the person’s natural physique and also aggravated due to intensive training and weight loss-

[Bob434]

[[As I was taught in my law enforcement “use of force” classes any blow to the head is deadly force and may be met with a commensurate response.]]

By anyone I might add- skinny or not- skinny scrawny people on angel dust can do tremendous deadly damage

[Celtic Conservative]

Angel dust, meth, cocaine. But my experience is that adrenaline is the most deadly drug in use of force situations. In addition to it making the suspects subduing very difficult the officers own adrenaline can derange their thought processes and action. The only cure for it on the officers part is training and self discipline.

[taxcontrol]

In most cases, self defense and deadly force are justified when the attacker shows:

- ability to injure or harm
- intent to assault

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

Don’t be so quick to assume. I saw a really short and skinny martial artist take a 6’2” American bruiser down to his knees with just minimum force, in about a second.

Imagine standing in front of someone, then reaching out to grab their collarbones. There is a nerve center right behind them. I asked the bruiser later what it was like, and he said “I was standing, and then suddenly I was on my knees.”

If they are within 5 feet of you, you could be at imminent risk.

[Vigilanteman]

If in doubt, the old saying that "it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" applies.

But let's face it, there are a lot of runts who are all mouth and no pop. I know because I used to be one. Lucky for me, I had a gentle big brother who was built like and as protective as a mama grizzly bear at the time.

[Mr. Lucky]

I boxed in the late teens and twenties

Wow. What's that make you 120 or 30?

[dp0622]

roflmao!!!! listen, that makes five times in three days my posts have been slandered, as the lawyer on Sienfeld would say, it's outlandish, disparaging, denigrating, and preposterous!! We'll sue!
I didn't come on FR to be insulted. I could get that from my wife...drum roll.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

But you never know. Just a day or two ago, I found a video taken by a police body cam. The cop had and used his Taser at point blank, on a skinny little rat, but still got a bad knife cut on his vest. Really grateful he was wearing one.

But I thought it was a superb example for anyone who carries a gun. Closing distance really matters.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/story/news/2015/04/21/body-cam-man-attacks-deputy/26110319/

[TalBlack]

I saw a 145 lb Golden Gloves champ dissuade a 245 pound bouncer who had decided to “kick his ass”. The boxer did it with 4 punches delivered in less than ten seconds.

[Vigilanteman]

Post #14 applies here as well. I'm just saying that to make the adverse judgement of 12 less likely, a reasonable assessment of the situation is in order.

Officer Wilson would've been hung out to dry had Michael Brown been a 150# runt who never made contact with him and hadn't been captured on video robbing a store just minutes before.

[TurboZamboni]

Scott Walker knockdown punch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=22&v=cryMRVDwItM