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Why S.C. Cop Michael Slager Will Not Be Convicted of Murder (Voluntary Manslaughter Instead)
ClashDaily.com ^ | 4/8/15 | Donald Joy

Posted on 04/08/2015 12:59:17 PM PDT by IChing

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To: IChing

The #blacklivesmatter is going to be the elephant in the room. It’s in the air and even the lofo’s breathe air.

While the race issue is clearly cynically manipulated, it is still where we are. I just believe that prosecution will (and should) go at this hard.

Wonder if SC law allows jury to return a lesser verdict than the charge.


61 posted on 04/08/2015 3:37:48 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: FredZarguna

I should have been more clear, I’m sorry. By “you” I meant the author of this tripe. Not YOU.


62 posted on 04/08/2015 3:37:53 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: FredZarguna

I don’t see any reason to even say Scott was a loser. He served honorably in the Coast Guard. That’s all I know so far.


63 posted on 04/08/2015 3:39:08 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: IChing
Wrong; voluntary manslaughter includes intent.

And requires provocation. Which is what in this case?

64 posted on 04/08/2015 3:40:14 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: FredZarguna

Fred, you’re a bit warped here. Shimmer1’s post was in support of yours, and you reacted as if Shimmer1 was arguing against you! You also act as if I’m trying to acquit Slager. Read the damned article!


65 posted on 04/08/2015 3:40:32 PM PDT by IChing
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To: IChing
his rap sheet is quite extensive, actually

No, it isn't. Stop lying. He's got a history of not making support payments. That's not an "extensive rap sheet."

There are ways to collect from deadbeats that are cost effective and non-violent. They also leave the perpetrator alive to continue to make future payments.

More seriously for murderer Michael T. Slager, who has an extensive history of prior complaints against him, none of Scott's domestic issues were known to Slager when he opened fire, so they cannot be extenuating or mitigating factors in his murderer's defense.

66 posted on 04/08/2015 3:42:23 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47 -- with leather.)
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To: IChing; Shimmer1
I think you've got a reading comprehension problem, there 'Ching. My "reaction" to Shimmer1 is thoroughly in agreement.
67 posted on 04/08/2015 3:44:45 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47 -- with leather.)
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To: Shimmer1

“County police officers arrested him in 1987 on a charge of assault and battery, and he was convicted in 1991 of possession of a bludgeon.

“Ten years passed before he was arrested twice in 2001 on contempt charges. He would face several similar charges occasionally during the next decade until his last arrest in 2012.

“He also had convictions from 2008 for driving under suspension and having an open alcohol container in his car.”

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150406/PC16/150409558/1177/north-charleston-police-say-officer-who-fatally-shot-man-pulled-him-over-because-of-brake-light

If I was a full-time, paid reporter, not an opinion columnist with space limits, I might write articles as long as that one.


68 posted on 04/08/2015 3:46:37 PM PDT by IChing
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To: IChing

Why was this officer trying to cuff a suspect on a bench warrant, by himself? If he knew he was taking someone in, why didn’t he call for assistance? I wonder if there is a LOT more to this story.


69 posted on 04/08/2015 3:48:10 PM PDT by Regal
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To: Shimmer1
My statement that he is "probably a loser" is based on this: The history that we do have indicates [IIRC] ten contempt of court charges for failure to appear repeatedly for non-payment of support. None of this was known to his murderer.
70 posted on 04/08/2015 3:49:50 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47 -- with leather.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Provocation is merely a common factor, not necessarily in all cases. If I have to explain further, especially given the nature of this encounter and how it unfolded with its various factors, I’d rather direct you to other sources of legal definitions, etc.

You’d vote to convict for murder if you were on the jury, then? Even given the criteria, and circumstances, with beyond reasonable doubt being the threshold? Really? Think all jurors would? There you go. Voluntary manslaughter. Loong sentence.


71 posted on 04/08/2015 3:50:50 PM PDT by IChing
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To: IChing
You might also write more accurately, if you consider an "accusation" of assault and battery nothing more than that.

I believe you once committed assault and battery yourself.

Oh, sorry! That was somebody else.

But now -- by your standard -- you have a "history of violence." Because you've been incorrectly accused of it.

72 posted on 04/08/2015 3:55:20 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47 -- with leather.)
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To: FredZarguna

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3277164/posts?page=68#68

You were saying? Oh, right, you’d vote to convict on murder, because there’s no mitigating factors to lower it to vol. manslaughter re the perp fighting him to get the taser from him, etc. Got it. Glad there are more than one juror if I ever have a bad shoot....


73 posted on 04/08/2015 3:58:22 PM PDT by IChing
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To: ansel12

Go ahead and rebut me if it suits you, and if you think you can.


74 posted on 04/08/2015 4:01:05 PM PDT by IChing
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To: FredZarguna

My bad, he was a gentle giant obviously, loved his mamma and a future astronaut


75 posted on 04/08/2015 4:05:24 PM PDT by IChing
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To: IChing
If you think that's an "extensive rap sheet" you need to talk to some people who're really in law enforcement. His "repeated" offenses are for the same crime: failure to pay support.

So now you've diluted a "history of violence" to "an extensive rap sheet." That's the closest to the truth we're going to get with you.

And, BTW, I called Slager a "murderer" to illustrate your own technique to you.

We both agree that, fortunately, the final determination will be left to a trier of fact. That trier of fact will not be permitted to even hear about the victim's deadbeat history, let alone allow the defense to describe it as an "extensive rap sheet."

76 posted on 04/08/2015 4:09:33 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47 -- with leather.)
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To: IChing
He's not Michael Brown, and Michael T. Slager is not Darren Wilson. Trying to pretend this case is similar doesn't make it so.

In fact, trying to pretend this case is similar harms the credibility of anyone who stood up to defend officer Wilson.

77 posted on 04/08/2015 4:12:34 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47 -- with leather.)
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To: IChing

Oh ok, kill him then. /s


78 posted on 04/08/2015 4:17:58 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: FredZarguna

Who’s trying to pretend it’s similar?


79 posted on 04/08/2015 4:18:25 PM PDT by IChing
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To: IChing; FredZarguna

No, no, you two. This is my fault .I wasn’t clear who I was talking to or about. Don’t argue over this.


80 posted on 04/08/2015 4:19:36 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Never in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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