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The EMP Threat: All It Would Take Is A Couple Of Explosions To Send America Back To The 1800s
TEC ^ | 04/07/2015 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 04/07/2015 7:40:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Not quite the 1800’s. In some ways I think we’d be better off, and in other ways we’d be worse.

Even without electricity, most people nowadays have a basic understanding of germs and how diseases spread. We know that cats are an asset, not a sign of witches. We know more about nutrition than we ever did then. We know what kind of advances are possible, and the more technically-minded will be able to rig up things that people in the 1800’s could only dream about.

On the other hand, few people these days know how to raise and prepare their own meats. Few people can start a fire without a book of matches. Too many people have no idea where food comes from. Too many people have become so dependent on a constant barage of inputs, that they literally go insane when that stream is cut off.

I think if the power went off, it would be a mixed bag. Some people would do well, some would give up and die, and some would die slowly after struggling to adapt but not knowing how.

We have one asset right now that people in the 1800’s never had. We have so much information right at our fingertips! Learn what you can, while you can. Even if you never need it, you’ll be glad you took the time.


101 posted on 04/07/2015 10:40:36 AM PDT by Ellendra (People who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

“Given that I know of his history and accomplishments in his field, if he says there is a problem, I’ll believe what he has to say.”

I believe him too.


102 posted on 04/07/2015 10:40:56 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer
That’s the point I’ve been trying to make on this thread to the chagrin of some - it’s a problem - we just don’t know how bad it’s going to be.

That's the way I look at it too...we're I full agreement.

I do like these threads though, sometimes they are enlightening, but mostly amusing to watch.

103 posted on 04/07/2015 10:45:22 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Really if we’re getting nuked EMP is going to be in the collateral damage zone. Certainly it will add to the level of suck, but it’s not going to be a handful of nukes kicking the country into the 19th century, it’ll be more in the “and top of everything else most of Connecticut is without power”. There are just really no good indications that it’s a serious threat, especially as a primary attack. One of the things people forget on this is that altitude miles are, from a practical perspective, a lot longer than horizontal miles. They talk about detonation altitude of 400KM (about 250 miles), well that’s where the ISS is, not exactly a like altitude for a device.


104 posted on 04/07/2015 10:52:43 AM PDT by discostu (Bobby, I'm sorry you have a head like a potato.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I love when the EMP threads come up every year or so. Fascinating science fiction. It also got me into the show “Revolution” that’s on Netflix. Great show!


105 posted on 04/07/2015 10:57:49 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: All

EMP a touchy subject usually.

EMP is a Cause. The Result is the same as several other natural disasters.

No Food in Wally world or Kroger or where ever you shop. I seriously doubt people will be worried about electronic equipment.

Why there is no Food or water is not important.

2 Weeks with strained food/water supplies the social fibre of the USA will collapse. Think Katrina or Ferguson

Something else looms larger than a Solar burst or EMP attack but the results will be just as bad I fear.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-08-11/california-drought-transforms-global-food-market


106 posted on 04/07/2015 1:03:27 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: Bailee

Sorry I left one out.

http://www.drought.gov/drought/area/ca


107 posted on 04/07/2015 1:07:06 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: Kartographer

I understand what you’re saying. I am just generally very skeptic of things. For instance, I don’t believe in man made global warming. I don’t believe the universe “created itself because it had too” ..... I don’t believe the earth is billions of years old, I don’t believe Mars once had life on it even though its way to far away from the sun to support life, I don’t believe in the locknest monster, I don’t believe in the DaVinci Code, I don’t believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, I don’t believe man evolved from apes, I don’t believe in dark matter, I don’t believe black holes exist, I don’t believe in tears in the space time continuium... etc etc. And I’m just not convinced a bomb over the center of the united states will fry everything with a diode or computer chip. That’s just me.... you know...


108 posted on 04/07/2015 2:06:58 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: Bailee

California is next to the Ocean and they are having a water shortage? I’m just saying.... you can’t feel sorry them.


109 posted on 04/07/2015 2:22:27 PM PDT by kjam22 (my music video "If My People" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74b20RjILy4)
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To: RFEngineer
The threat is real. We just don’t have any idea of the actual impact. It could be minor to catastrophic. We don’t know

If we knew who did the EMP attack, the retribution would be catastrophic.

110 posted on 04/07/2015 2:32:03 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: CommerceComet

“If we knew who did the EMP attack, the retribution would be catastrophic.”

That seems like a given, but we are in the age of Obama. I cannot say with certainty that this would be so. Still, that’s what makes it such a good asymmetrical weapon. North Korea, for instance, doesn’t have much to lose - and if they were in the throes of a coup, for instance, I wouldn’t doubt that someone might accept that gambit.


111 posted on 04/07/2015 2:46:01 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: concernedcitizen76

I don’t think that man Obama, if he is a man, has any conscience whatsoever. That’s what makes him so dangerous. God save America from this devil in a guise.


113 posted on 04/07/2015 7:42:23 PM PDT by concernedcitizen76 (Term limits. Repeal the 16th and 17th amendments. Sunset bureaucracies.)
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To: RFEngineer
I like how you put this.

in the absence of data of modern electronics and systems vulnerability to EMP, you have to treat critical systems like they will face the 800 lb gorilla. You also have to leave open the possibility that it’s actually a 1000lb gorilla.


Yeah, you do need to protect some things against it and we should, especially the power grid and so forth It is like protecting yourself from a heart attack or stroke if you are hypertensive by taking your blood pressure meds. I don't think every electronic thing would be blown out by EMP, most cars will run and so on, in that case, I don't think it will be the 1970's Irwin Allen disaster movie it is made out to me. However, in the aftermath, because we run on a just in time inventory system and the power grid itself, the societal effects could then resemble a 1970's era disaster movie. I'm an amateur radio operator so I've looked up info myself as well a it being a concern to me as well.
114 posted on 04/07/2015 7:59:58 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Mom I miss you! (8-20-1938 to 11-18-2013) Cancer sucks)
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