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To: PieterCasparzen

I believe Jesus used the miracles as a metaphorical reward for Heaven. He would thus heal the poor or the ones abused by governors, instead of helping the rich and powerful, in their faces.

If one cannot believe that God would dare come in the flesh to prove that these people were not of God and would use his powerlessness in the flesh to crucify Him, then of course, the reverse, that God would leave this flesh one day to go to Heaven or to trascend it through miracles, is only logical.

Faith is not the same as superstition. It is more like a soul treatment program, a belief that what we follow improves our lives or soul, despite all the artificial punishment and discouragement out there trying to skew or sabotage the results through direct harm, or, worse, temptation, ie. doing the harm ourselves! a belief that God helps us right ourselves when we err, just like a father would not beat a child for failing in taking his or her first steps, doing it wrong.


121 posted on 03/12/2015 10:51:48 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: lavaroise
If one cannot believe that God would dare come in the flesh to prove that these people were not of God and would use his powerlessness in the flesh to crucify Him, then of course, the reverse, that God would leave this flesh one day to go to Heaven or to trascend it through miracles, is only logical.

Christ in the flesh had all power; he was a willing sacrifice. Evidence of this is his telling the disciples of his impending death and resurrection at the last supper.

Evidence of his power is his miracles. This fulfilled Old Testament prophecy, which means that those in the Jewish leadership who brought about his conviction and crucifixion had the fulfillment of prophecy to know that he was the Messaiah, as they were learned of the Old Testament.

Isaiah 35

"4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.

5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert."

Of course it was also prophesied that he would die as he did - and his death and resurrection was necessary for salvation of all those who believe on him.

We must study the Bible, God's Word, to continually increase our understanding of it. Christ IS the Word of God:

John 1

"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
125 posted on 03/12/2015 11:33:44 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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