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1 posted on 12/29/2014 8:19:35 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Good War is worthy of a Good Draft!


2 posted on 12/29/2014 8:22:38 PM PST by CharleysPride (non chiedere cio che non si puo prendere)
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Is the author a Leftist?
I don’t know of any Conservative who is actively calling for a reinstatement of the Draft (even though the basic principle of a militia is a Conservative axiom); AFAIK the Left wants the Draft reinstated just so they can use it to beat up the Right.


3 posted on 12/29/2014 8:25:34 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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Bring back the draft.

If a wars worth fighting, everyone should fight it.

If it isnt, everyone will oppose it as unjust.

Thats the way it should be in a democracy.


4 posted on 12/29/2014 8:27:29 PM PST by Regulator
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All 19 year old American males should be required to serve at least 2 years in the Military; it would turn a lot of boys into men and make America less metrosexual.

Did I purposefully not include females? Yes!

5 posted on 12/29/2014 8:28:34 PM PST by PROCON (Always give 100% -- Unless you're donating Blood.)
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6 posted on 12/29/2014 8:28:41 PM PST by dfwgator
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Anyone on the left calling for a draft is likely really desiring anti-draft riots. They are upset that mass protests never broke out against "Bush's War" and realize that the "problem" is that the troops volunteered for it and mostly have joined after the war started. They see sending people to war involuntarily and blaming Republicans is the path to increased power.

Since we don't have the money to support a military large enough to draft every eighteen year old, there will still be picking and choosing who gets drafted. Even in WW II my grandfathers were on the high end of the age limit and were determined to have jobs necessary for the war effort so they stayed home.

8 posted on 12/29/2014 8:30:15 PM PST by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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Did not read the article (but I might, I like Joe Epstein), but bear in mind that if a draft if reinstated without a lot of other things changing (or changing back maybe I should say) the WILL be drafting women.

I, myself, do not support that.


10 posted on 12/29/2014 8:34:36 PM PST by jocon307
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Our current force structure would have to be scrapped if we went back to a draft.

Unfortunately, much too high a percentage of 18 year-olds just simply aren't of a high enough quality, educationally, emotionally, or morally, to fight a modern war.

Instead of preparing for combat, a large portion of the Defense budget would go to either correcting the deficiencies of the draftees or finding make work for them to do until their enlistments are over.

"Ceterum censeo 0bama esse delendam."

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

13 posted on 12/29/2014 8:39:13 PM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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then there’s that whole “involuntary servitude” thing.


17 posted on 12/29/2014 8:53:08 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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We simply can't draft everybody. There are 4.4 million people turning 18 this year. SOURCE (Sorry, the source is a PDF, it's Figure 2). The entire military is 1.4 million active duty. Taking only one in three - 33% - would still double the size of the military. Take everyone, we have a military four times the size of the current one and that's going to cost a lot of money even if we don't do anything with it.

And if you don't take everyone, you have to run a lottery as we did during Vietnam (I could tell stories about my draft physical) or some other method of selection that would be ruthlessly gamed by the lazy as it was before. You also lose the societal advantages of everybody serving. I get that argument, absolutely, but the military can't support it.

26 posted on 12/29/2014 9:57:22 PM PST by Billthedrill
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An addendum to the last - most countries with a "universal" (it never actually is) draft deal with the issue by giving the draftees a minimal training and service period - two years, say - and promptly relegate them to the Reserves, the Reserves being far cheaper to maintain than active duty personnel. (This system was devised by Frederick William, Frederick the Great's father - small professional core, big reserve. The good news is it's a way to expand your military at need very rapidly; the bad is that when you call up the reserves you're taking a huge bite out of your most productive classes. When the war drags on, as it did for Freddie in the Seven Years' War, the home front starts to go broke and starve).

That could be done in the U.S. but it'd be an enormous Reserve - not just the 4.4 million I cited above but that many each year. If you maintain that Reserve for any time at all you're talking tens of millions of people. Try to imagine what that would cost.

Mind you, I'm not dismissing the concept of some sort of national service (even though I find it objectionable on other grounds) but the military just isn't suited for it. My opinion only.

27 posted on 12/29/2014 10:11:46 PM PST by Billthedrill
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No draft, but I’d like to see some “Starship Troopers” style benefits for those who served.


29 posted on 12/29/2014 11:09:08 PM PST by ebshumidors
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I've always loved the draft. :-P


30 posted on 12/29/2014 11:18:10 PM PST by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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Well, Draft, eh? OK. Great idea getting today's 18 somethings away from their mothers and the mall.

But in a country with 300 million people, that would mean training a far bigger army than could ever be used. That's what led to a plethora of draft exemptions, hence the "unfairness."

Universal Military service, combined with Universal National Service to the country might be a way to go. The other problem is that today's 18 year-olds are generally a lot dumber than a sixth-grader in 1950 when it comes to hard or handy factual knowledge. Of course, they're handy with cell phones, video games, and condoms.

33 posted on 12/30/2014 12:06:30 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (The fate of the Republic rests in the hands of the '15 -16 Congress. God help us.)
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The first people sent to any war should be the sons, daughters, nieces and nephews of our politicians.

The people who cause the wars should be the first to bury their children, not us.

The way it usually works, is that IF any of their sons get sent to war, they are kept far from the action and protected by squadrons of our sons at high cost. These sons, daughters, nieces and nephews, however, are huge beneficiaries of government largesse.


35 posted on 12/30/2014 2:05:37 AM PST by Bon mots (American Exceptionalism becomes American Acceptionalism under this regime... :()
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One can strongly argue that in times of national emergency at least a draft is necessary...if not actually good.I don’t see us as being in such a dire situation today however.


40 posted on 12/30/2014 6:35:44 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter;No Longer The Worst President In My Lifetime)
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