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To: iontheball

I have been very busy this week and unable to research much of this issue. Can someone explain to me why he would not sign it? Are there multiple reasons, legal reasons, etc.?


13 posted on 12/06/2014 7:05:03 AM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: 4everontheRight

From the article:
Fitton, in an interview with WND, argued executive orders are limited to facilitating the execution of laws, not altering or establishing law.

“Barack Obama did not issue an executive order because he does not have the authority to issue an executive order in this instance,” Fitton said.

He believes White House counsel concluded Obama lacked the authority to defer prosecutions under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, DACA, program and decided to implement the policy through a memorandum issued by Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson. The memo was never filed with the Federal Register for a period of public comment, as federal law requires agencies to do when making rules.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/watchdog-executive-order-ploy-criminal-conspiracy/#hWuA7FG5MpxhzPjc.99


15 posted on 12/06/2014 7:08:37 AM PST by Whenifhow
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To: 4everontheRight

On this evening in Vegas in question....he signs two documents. You can view the two over at the national achieves. They are both 3-pagers. One tells the cabinet members to find ways to lessen paperwork on immigration and make immigration easier...then talk about it to the nation (press). The second tells the cabinet to form a national task force to find ‘better’ ways to integrate new immigrants into America.

Neither talk about more immigrants or the lessening of rules unless you take the comment on less paperwork being the focus.

That’s it.

So I come to what I think is the whole angle on this. He had a verbal conversation and asked each cabinet secretary to put out a memo, with his verbal orders being the driving force to the staff memo. Without the executive order, there’s nothing you can do about this in court or have the Supreme Court come back to him and issue an injunction. The Senate would have to bring each cabinet secretary in and ask what verbal instructions were given, then you ask what they’d do. You can’t prosecute or do anything with the President....IF he didn’t sign such an order.

The House could react by just writing a simple bill that none of the following actions....just list what he said on TV...can be accomplished without a law enforcing such events.

I would also add this. If you walked in Harry Reid’s office and discussed this event...Harry is probably shaking his head and just hostile/frustrated with the White House and their angle of accomplishing things. He’s carried their anchor through lots of stupidity for six years. Maybe he might be ready to push six Democratic votes over to the Republicans for massive retaliation on the White House, to correct what has gone wrong.

Bottom line? Nothing was ordered and signed. Therefore, nothing can be prosecuted. It’s what they’d do in Bolivia if they were still a third-world country (they actually moved up to 2nd-world in the last couple of years).


18 posted on 12/06/2014 7:21:31 AM PST by pepsionice
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