I think it shows what is possible when people are allowed to hear a reasoned argument from second amendment supporters.
The recent FSU case was an anomaly. The delusional/insane shooter had only a .380 pistol, and he hung around the front of the library as if he was literally waiting for the cops to come and shoot him.
That’s why the got there in about 2 to 5 minutes and shot him. (I have heard various reports on the time lapse.)
If he had had a pair of 9mm pistols and had gone deep into the library and up to a top floor and cornered 100 or more students, it would have been a bloodbath, and the cops arriving at the front door in just minutes would not have prevented it.
Only an armed student or staff on that floor with the shooter could have stopped it then.
But: I think it shows what is possible when people are allowed to hear a reasoned argument from second amendment supporters.
Here is the comment I posted on the Channel 4 thread:
The recent FSU case was an anomaly. The delusional/insane shooter only had a .380 pistol which held 7 or so cartridges, and he hung around the front of the library as if he was literally waiting for the cops to come and shoot him in a “suicide by cop.”
That’s why the cops got there in about 2 to 5 minutes and shot him. (I have heard various reports on the time lapse.) He was literally waiting for them.
If he had had a 9mm pistol or bigger, with several 15-round magazines, and had gone deep into the library and up to a top floor and cornered 100 or more students, it would have been a bloodbath, and the cops arriving at the front door in just minutes would not have prevented it. It would have been like Virginia Tech, a bloodbath. Cops arriving outside would not have stopped it, just as they could not stop Virginia Tech.
Only an armed student or staff on that floor with the shooter could have stopped it then.
The fact is that the average number of deaths in shooting rampages stopped by police is 11, and the number of deaths when it is stopped by a civilian is 3. Why? Because the civilian with the gun was right there, and the cops were a long way away. That’s why shooters seek “disarmed victim zones” like school cafeterias and libraries.
Thank God FSU was basically a “suicide by cop” and not another Virginia Tech.
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I think more people carrying guns on campus would minimize shootings. - 48% (1400 votes)
Yes, but only people with concealed carry permits should have them at college. - 43% (1245 votes)
Guns should be allowed on campus, but only locked in vehicles. (Current law). - 1% (41 votes)
Only law enforcement personnel should be allowed to carry guns on campus. - 8% (219 votes)
Total Votes: 2,905
I doubt that having carry rights would have made a difference, just because the chance of someone with a gun happening to be there and happening to do the right thing when the shooting just starts is low.
But on the other hand, every one of these shootings PROVE that “gun-free” does nothing to stop bad people from shooting you with a gun. There is zero evidence that gun bans ever cut down the number of shootings, and good evidence that allowing guns lowers the chance of shootings.
When seconds count, the police will be there in a matter of minutes.
I think more people carrying guns on campus would minimize shootings. - 48% (1499 votes)
Yes, but only people with concealed carry permits should have them at college. - 43% (1336 votes)
Guns should be allowed on campus, but only locked in vehicles. (Current law). - 1% (42 votes)
Only law enforcement personnel should be allowed to carry guns on campus. - 7% (231 votes)
Total Votes: 3,108
Would allowing guns on college campuses make students safer?
I think more people carrying guns on campus would minimize shootings. - 49%........(1587 votes)
Yes, but only people with concealed carry permits should have them at college. - 43%.......(1394 votes)
Guns should be allowed on campus, but only locked in vehicles. (Current law). - 1%.......(47 votes)
Only law enforcement personnel should be allowed to carry guns on campus. - 7%.......(242 votes)
Total Votes: 3,270