Posted on 08/22/2014 7:26:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Jim Hoft and Fox News say he did, CNN says he didn’t, and now here’s WaPo saying yep, he did.
Your move, New York Times.
The signs of easing tensions came as a family friend of the officer who fatally shot Brown came forward to offer a version of the incident with new details, saying that the officer suffered a fracture to his eye socket in a scuffle with the unarmed teenager before opening fire.
Hospital X-rays of the injury have been taken and will be shared with a grand jury that is weighing evidence to determine whether Officer Darren Wilson should be charged in the shooting, said the friend, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of fear of threats. The friend has been in contact with Wilson’s family members…
In his account to close confidants, Wilson has repeatedly said he thought Brown was acting erratically when they had an altercation on a street in a garden apartment complex in Ferguson. He said that Brown was coming at him when he fired the fatal shots.
“Darren was adamant that he believed Michael Brown had some drugs in his system,” the friend said.
The DA’s office says Wilson will be invited to appear before the grand jury but they admit that they haven’t interviewed him. Whether that’s because Wilson doesn’t want to talk to them (yet) or because they feel they don’t need to talk to him before seeking an indictment is unclear.
Over at NRO, Charles Cooke wonders: What if we’ve already seen all of the relevant prosecution evidence in the Brown shooting? Is there any way that the D.A. gets a conviction here? According to the Times, “many” witnesses agree that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson while Wilson was still in his squad car. They also agree that Wilson’s gun discharged before he got out, that Brown started running, that Wilson fired at him while Brown’s back was to him, and that Brown finally stopped and turned to face him. They disagree on what happened after that. Some say Brown advanced towards Wilson, others say he stayed put. Maybe the state can do something with forensics to show whether Brown was moving forward when he was hit, but if not, it’ll be a test of credibility between the prosecution’s witnesses and the defense’s. And it’s a heavy lift to get from there to “beyond a reasonable doubt,” especially if Wilson has medical records showing that Brown had already hit him hard enough to break bone. Once you produce some evidence to show justifiable homicide, the burden falls on the prosecution to disprove it. Unless the jury decides that there’s simply no plausible scenario in which an armed man reasonably needs to use lethal force to repel an attack from a man who’s unarmed, the D.A. will have trouble.
Makes me wonder if maybe the state will zero in on Wilson shooting at Brown’s back while he was fleeing and try to get some sort of conviction out of that. That would be awfully tricky — it would be bizarre for Wilson to be acquitted of murder on self-defense grounds but convicted on attempted murder or negligence grounds for the shots he fired just moments before the fatal shots. If the first shots at Brown’s back were criminal, didn’t Brown then have a self-defense right of his own to try to disarm Wilson? If he was acting in his own self-defense, how can Wilson claim self-defense on the shots that ended up killing Brown?
This is all moving pretty fast.
Sorry no. In most states the DA has no obligation to share defense arguments. I don't believe the Grand Jury will see this.
I understand that its reasonable yo shoot fleeing felon. The assault on officer would allow police to use deadly force. Anyone know if that is true?
Yes, but that won’t stop the emotions from going nuts.
I really don’t get the relevance of this. Either the officer got punched or he didn’t. If he did, it’s assault on a peace officer, and I don’t know if that’s a felony but it’s obviously a pretty serious charge/offense. Is the officer supposed to go for a medical evaluation immediately after being punched in the eye and make some kind of judgement call “this is serious” or “this is no big deal, I’ll shake it off” and take appropriate action; either go back from the hospital and attempt to arrest the guy an hour or so later after having carefully weighed his options....or should he ask permission from Jesse Jackson? Alternatively, is it up to us to say “hey, no big deal, where’s the proportionality?” or “I wouldn’t have shot the guy, I can take a punch”, or what? The thrown punch is the offense, end of story.
This is the kind of silly speculation about sub-details of things that we have zero means of knowing about that just occupy spare brain cells and lead nowhere. In my opinion, that is.
I would imagine it would help in his defense.
He couldn’t have. It doesn’t fit the narrative.
Just have a letter from my elderly mother stating it was purchased in such and such a place around such and such year. Hope that works.
Oops. Ignore previous post. No relevance to this story (I haven’t let that stop me before, though....) :D
So where did CNN get their bogus info that the cop didn’t have a busted skull?
Yes, this is the proscecutor’s show alone, with only evidence against the accused, Officer Williams, and no stone is left not thrown, if the prosecutor wants this endictment.
A Grand Jury member can ask for other testimony even from the accused, in Texas, unless the rules have changed since I served. They don’t announce that privilege, but when I asked the DA, he complied without prejudice.
We must remember - equal protection under the law, truth, justice, and the rule of law are now just words in much of our nation. We can pretend we are still a Godly nation that follows these precepts, but that is deception. Our enemies don’t believe in them, and they don’t play fair. They lust for blood, and evil sits in the highest seats of power.
“So where did CNN get their bogus info that the cop didn’t have a busted skull?”
Don Lemon??? /justasking
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3195872/posts
Sharpton a key advisor to Obama on Ferguson (reported back directly to Valerie Jarrett)
FLASHBACK:
Someone Must Be Punished for Killing Trayvon Martin, Says Mom Sybrina Fulton
by Allison Samuels Mar 22, 2012 2:04 AM EDT
EXCERPT
The now controversial killing of Trayvon garnered virtually no mainstream media attention in the days immediately after he was fatally shot, but that all changed when the teenager’s parents decided to hire civil rights attorney Benjamin Crump and his law firm to get more answers on exactly how and why their son died.
“They called me the same day they were notified that their son was dead,’’ Crump told The Daily Beast. “When I heard their unarmed teenage son was shot to death, I just knew there’d be an arrest shortly. There wasn’t an arrest 48 hours later, and then I knew we’d have to take this outside of Sanford if we wanted justice.’’
Trayvon’s parents were told by the Sanford police that Zimmerman wasn’t arrested in their son’s death because the facts of the case did not dispute his claim of self-defense.
For Crump, taking the Trayvon Martin story outside of Sanford simply entailed dialing up a few well-placed friends such as the Rev. Al Sharpton. Crump worked closely with the civil rights leader in 2006 on another racially charged case—the controversial death of a 14-year-old, African-American inmate of a Florida boot camp.
“I had to call people like Sharpton and a few other black civil rights leaders and the black media to tell them about this story,’’ said Crump. “I had to get them to understand what happened to this young man and what hadn’t happened in his case so they could spread the word.’’
Historically, cases of murder and violence against blacks in the United States rarely have been given the same amount of attention as cases in which the victims of crime are white—and often go unnoticed and unprosecuted.
Just days after hearing the details of Trayvon’s death, Sharpton arranged to have Crump and the teenager’s parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, on his syndicated radio show and his popular MSNBC show, Politics Nation, to tell their story.
(snip)
In the wake of non-stop media attention from the likes of Sharpton and CNN’s Don Lemon concerning the Trayvon Martin case, black media blogs such as MediaTakeOut.com and Huffington Post Black Voices also began publishing accounts and editorials about the Florida case—daily. Almost instantly, readers of all races, ages, and backgrounds began tweeting and posting on Facebook their outrage over how the police have handled the case, and the lack of an arrest in the shooting. To date, almost 1 million people have signed a Change.Org petition to have Zimmerman arrested. In response to the widespread outrage, the Justice Department has opened an investigation into the shooting.
If one shot goes off in the car and grazed the victim below the thumb, that’s one shot. Two reportedly to the head and four more? The officer emptying a clip either missed a few, or did not empty the clip. Right?
Since I haven’t seen a policeman carrying a revolver since the 1980’s, you’re probably right.
How many rounds were missed?
They made it up? Just a guess.
IF he had a clip, it holds 10 bullets. At least mine does. His, may hold more.
If the policeman was in his car the only way a struggle could take place would be if Brown was instigating it.
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