Posted on 07/30/2014 5:01:51 AM PDT by grundle
Nazis are all bad because they all want to murder large numbers of people. Not all Muslims want to do that.
Do you have a list of all the times queers tried to get into your pants?
Maybe a shorter list of all the times you said "No!"?
I can’t dispute your point about Detroit.
Well they won't necessarily kill you if you convert.
Odd time to bring this up, when Israel is practically isolated in its struggle for existence.
Israel’s enemy has a nasty little habit of launching missles at itself. Israel is technologically superior. I think it will survive.
Bad timing, Grundle
“Nazis are all bad because they all want to murder large numbers of people. Not all Muslims want to do that.”
Many Nazis, like many Muslims, simply went along to get along. There were career and business opportunities that they would miss out on if they were not party members (or believers), so the ambitious often said what benefited them.
Many Nazis, like many Muslims, were raised in an environment dominated by propaganda and indoctrination, and didn’t think that the movement was about bad things like killing people - they were misled with positive spin about their ideology, while they were also being taught to hate.
Many Nazis, like many Muslims, were intimidated by the harsh repression they were subject to, and capitulated or turned a blind eye out of fear and self-preservation. The explicit repression in Islam is actually more harsh than it was within the Nazi Party - 100% death to anyone who tries to leave or exercise independent beliefs - although it is less efficiently administered.
Most Nazis were not in the elite SS which did the executions, just as most Muslims are not in the jihadi terrorist groups, so they did not expect to actually have to kill anyone themselves.
Killing Jews (and non-Muslims generally) is a widely popular concept among wide swathes of the Muslim population throughout the world today, it is publicly preached by many Muslim clerics, and it is explicitly commanded in the Quran. Most Nazi Party members did not learn of the secret plans to exterminate Jews, until they were well underway, and well after the Nazi Party had consolidated totalitarian power and instituted a police state.
The problem is with the ideology. Individuals will always vary widely within any large group - even Nazis. Schindler was a Nazi who saved thousands.
If an ideology inclines toward, encourages or commands evil, it is evil, and deserves to be identified as an evil influence.
No, no...genealogy aside, that makes you a practicing nerd, not a practicing Jew.
That’s a very sound comparison that you make, I can’t argue aginst it.
Yes - I am indeed a practicing nerd!
It is a rare pleasure to reason with someone with an open mind. Thank you.
OK...
You are supporting Islam. It has nothing to do with religion.
Your peace love philosophy of do whatever you want leads to death.
Islam is evil and destructive
if you don’t reject it you accept it and are leading other people to destruction
That's a hysterical oversimplification. There are many good, hard-working muslims right down the street at your local convenience store who are merely pursuing their own vision of the American dream, just like you and I. And they don't want America hurt or destroyed any more than you or I do.
And even though muslims practice what I believe to be a false and abominable religion, they have no relationship to indiscriminate murderers such as Hamas and their ilk, any more than you or I do to some deranged Christian killer. Some muslims even accept, for instance, that Israel has a right to exist!
What these muslims need to realize is that if they don't cleanse their own religion from within, it's going to have to be done from the outside. And that does mean their obliteration on the level you seem to embrace.
But regardless, advocating the death of any individual merely for their choice of religion is simply un-Christian and wrong. Indeed, it lowers one down to the same level of the very extremists they hate.
I simply can't see Christ ever embracing a pogrom against the members of any ethnicity or religion. Such bigotry and hatred is anathema to Christianity.
Make no mistake: I believe there are many Muslims, men and women, who deserve to be bombed into oblivion. But despite that fact, there are some muslims who are decent, peace-loving folks. There are such human beings in any ethnic or religious grouping.
Recognizing that possibility does not make anyone some kind of Hamas sympathizer. I believe Israel is entirely justified in their current military policy towards Hamas, and I'm quite confident that PM Netanyahu will fiercely defend the interests of the nation of Israel. More power to him.
Oh yes, you’re Jewish and so was Judas!
I agree with you, you can’t justly condemn anyone who is a Muslim, for the actions of others, or even the tenets of their religion.
We are all sinners. As a Christian, it is the sin that should be destroyed, not the sinners.
As a practical matter in war, you have to do what you need to do to win, while making reasonable attempts to minimize civilian casualties and damage.
It is necessary that Islamist movements like Hamas be eradicated or suppressed, but it is illegal, immoral and unnecessary to wantonly slaughter innocents.
Muslims are not given a choice of religion. If you are born to a Muslim father, as the great majority of Muslims are, the official penalty for changing religions is death (although their enforcement is inefficient).
There are and have been many strains of Islam which are markedly less violent and expansionist than what we are seeing today. Wahabbi extremism, fueled by oil money, has exploded from am isolated outpost in the desert to become the biggest force in Islam worldwide. They build most of the mosques, train brigades of Imams, and print mountains of textbooks in dozens of languages.
Those wealthy Wahabbi elites are ultimately the ones who need to have a change of heart, change of behavior, be imprisoned or killed.
Thank!
I do not support murder. And I do think people here raise a great point about the Muslims who refuse to criticize the Muslim terrorists.
I very strongly agree and admire with your comments in post 155.
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