[silverleaf]

Russian technical involvement on the ground - if proved- still does not constitute evidence this act was state-sponsored, as was KAL-007

all this act does is to damage Russia
all the news is now about punishing Russia
Putin loses

This is all too convenient - for Putin’s opponents

thus my suspicions are up
the question is MOTIVE
and if there was none, then this was an accident of war, rebels aiming at what they thought was a military cargo plane ... or a very sophisticated false flag to discredit Putin

beware of US intelligence, totally politicized now, the same toads who assured us Assad’s forces were the ones using chemical weapons a year ago in Syria

[Charles H. (The_r0nin)]

Why are you so desperate to absolve the Russians from this?

[1rudeboy]

Your concern for Putin's reputation is duly noted, even though he has allowed arms and soldiers to cross his border from Russia into Ukraine. Wondering if this particular weapon system was included is immaterial.

He armed them, he funded them, he allowed them to cross. Now some hothead shot down a civilian jet. He owns it.

[Rockingham]

What you refer to as “Russian technical involvement on the ground” means that the Russians provided and crewed the missile battery, selected the target, aimed, and fired. Russia has denied participation in the Ukrainian separatist rebellion. Claiming that they hit the airliner by accident would be an admission that they were both lying and engaging in acts of war against a neighboring country. Putin is a murderous thug. Discrediting him requires no invention, only the revelation of his criminality.