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To: Longbow1969
You think wondering aloud whether "the Negro" was perhaps better off a slave than they are now is correct? Thinking such a thing doesn't make one a racist, but it does make a person kind of stupid.

This is why the average person cannot open their mouth publicly about any protected class. The default if they do express an opinion is to default to the PC line, which represses their true sentiments. They can only express themselves honestly if they have reached a high level of understanding of the issues, so that they cannot be caught out on any statement. We are all busy, so that understanding can only be achieved by a small minority of policy wonks.

In this context, it is easy to throw stones at others, but very hard to communicate with others on these subjects, on the fly, in daily life.

How do you handle this personally? Your tongue must be raw from 'clamping down' if you take your own advice.

I think Bundy gave a reasonable Moynihanesque exposition on the negative impact of government on the 'negro family', as Moynihan expressed it. He reached back too far with his comparison to slavery, embellished by cotton and turnips. More appropriate was a comparison to the world before the Great Society. I ascribe that to his lack understanding, but overall pretty good for an average guy. His views on immigration show his limited understanding of politics and how he lets his personal experience, with Mexicans, determine his views.

Overall, it's clear that Bundy is clearly making an effort to be compassionate and that he is certainly not a racist.

So Bundy is Mau-Maued by the MSM anyway, using shop-worn race-baiting tactics playing on racial dysfunction stretching back a century and a half. You would think that we would have resolved this in our racial relations by now. We have not because Democrats like Johnson and Obama devoted themselves to setting back race relations, not because average sincere citizens express their sincere opinions. Of course, Democrats would say that the reason is that all white people are racist, but then we know that is wrong.

So I think that Bundy did us all a favor by saying what he did, even though he may have given Rory Reid's dad the pretext to grab his grazing lands.

126 posted on 04/24/2014 6:10:01 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
This is why the average person cannot open their mouth publicly about any protected class.

Do you believe the average person thinks "the Negro" is in dire straights because they haven't learned how to "pick cotton" and that they may have been better off as slaves? Seriously? If this is what the average conservative thinks, and I am quite certain it is not, then we are never going to make any political headway.

We are all busy, so that understanding can only be achieved by a small minority of policy wonks.

Correct, which is precisely why, especially considering the information age we live in, the average person does not make for a good political candidate (unless they are exceptionally charismatic with no history of boneheaded statements). It's why conservatives need to stop rallying around people like Herman Cain for President when there was never any chance he could win a general election. It's why this fantasy of Ben Carson for President is silly.

Yeah, yeah, I know we'd all like the notion of the citizen legislator envisioned by the founders, but it simply isn't a legitimate political reality. No matter that people always say they want a regular person to run, in the end they generally vote for the more polished candidate- ie, a skilled politician who typically worked their way up from the local level to something higher and a demonstrated record of being able win elections.

How do you handle this personally? Your tongue must be raw from 'clamping down' if you take your own advice

Personally I don't think "the Negro" is suffering because they didn't learn to pick cotton and might have been better off as slaves. That's a pretty dumb thing to say, no matter what broader point Bundy was attempting to make.

So I think that Bundy did us all a favor by saying what he did

Bundy's comments single handedly set back the land rights movement for perhaps years. Something like this at the Bundy ranch, while not the perfect symbol, seemed poised to generate more such fights against the government with a public that seemed at least somewhat sympathetic to Bundy as a figure head. His idiotic comments destroyed all that. Now it will take another flareup to generate the critical mass necessary to propel this fight into something bigger and more significant.

I just don't understand how so many well meaning conservatives can't see this. It's truly baffling. We have GOT to do a better job of vetting our candidates and closely scrutinizing people like Bundy before we rally around them and associate conservatives with someone who might be a political ticking time bomb set to splash egg on the face of every conservative that stuck their neck out to support him.

159 posted on 04/24/2014 7:36:01 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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