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Didn't this sort of thing happen quite a bit before the Revolutionary War and the Civil War?
1 posted on 04/21/2014 12:36:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In Congress, maybe ....


2 posted on 04/21/2014 12:40:52 PM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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The sheriff’s report does not detail Craig’s and Holt’s respective positions on the dispute

Well, that's a shame.

3 posted on 04/21/2014 12:45:30 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Bundy, who does not recognize BLM authority over his property, owes the government more than $1 million in fees due to his cattle herd grazing on public land for more than two decades.

A lie told often enought, is still a lie.

5 posted on 04/21/2014 12:51:57 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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"This ain't over"


6 posted on 04/21/2014 12:51:58 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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I can’t believe bar fights are becoming reportable news.


8 posted on 04/21/2014 12:58:55 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes and this too

". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . began to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."

.. I just can't avoid thinking about this from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America.

10 posted on 04/21/2014 1:03:44 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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The sheriff’s report does not detail Craig’s and Holt’s respective positions on the dispute

From the account, it's fairly obvious. Intolerance to the point of provoking violence is a trait of the left. If I was a betting man, I would wager that Craig is the intolerant liberal here.

11 posted on 04/21/2014 1:04:17 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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I can't speak on behalf of Nevada, but as a Nevada resident I haven't yet seen a supporter on either side in the 'Bundy Ranch Standoff' (and there's really at least three sides, and maybe four) articulate with clarity what the hell they think is really going on there and how it came to be this way.

The whole issue is very complicated, and doesn't just involve rancher Bundy, isn't about unpaid taxes/fines, or that the BLM are alleged to be minions of Satan, or that endangered desert tortoises are at risk, or the whole spectacle chiefly concerns the grandfathered use of public/private/tribal land and water exploitation.

The real issue is about how both the BLM and NV ranchers are often supporting laws they agree with while ignoring the laws they don't like or care to enforce while at the same time the government agencies are sued by environmentalists into enforcing laws that neither they or the environmentalists understand or even support. One of the top issues here is about water rights, yet the codified laws about water rights in Nevada are probably the least confusing of all issues in this conflict.

It's not just this one rancher named Bundy; it's every rancher and farmer in the state of Nevada. This issue is so messed up that even different Federal agencies are at odds with one another (US Forestry Service vs. BLM) and departments and districts within the BLM are internally at odds with one another over more zealous districts making up rules as they see fit and holding them up as 'law' even if they run contrary to real laws and treaties. This conflict is more complicated and has more 'sides' in the fight than the Balkans Conflict of the 1990s.

All sides in this need to take a big step back, but the reason that this Bundy ranch incident became such a spectacle is because a landowner in Nevada finally stood up to the Feds and most surprisingly the Feds blinked.

These laws and rules and control and jurisdictions need to be addressed at the Congressional level, in my opinion.

15 posted on 04/21/2014 1:28:23 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good point and true. This country is in a culture war and its divided about 50/50. This cannot continue indefinitely. One side or the other has to win. We are on the brink of a Civil War.


17 posted on 04/21/2014 1:40:49 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Didn't this sort of thing happen quite a bit before the Revolutionary War and the Civil War?

You're right. Remember Shay's Rebellion. The people with power squeezed the little people too much. It will happen again.

25 posted on 04/21/2014 3:23:01 PM PDT by ladyjane
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The sheriff’s report does not detail Craig’s and Holt’s respective positions on the dispute...

That stinks. It's a rather salient point in a somewhat amusing story.

27 posted on 04/21/2014 3:33:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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