Posted on 03/17/2014 11:17:25 AM PDT by EveningStar
THank you, TOL.
My opinion?
A person would be considered a fool if they proclaimed that all of man’s machines built in all of man’s existence arose spontaneously and accidentally as a random product of “nature” with no possibility whatsoever of an intelligent designer or builder, and yet the official, central dogma of “science” is a similar proclamation that all life in Earth’s biosphere (a situation a trillion times a trillion more complex than man’s puny accomplishments) is merely the mindless, capricious product of a grotesquely improbable and accidental “nature”.
On the other hand, I think we can make an intelligent guess as to where the earth’s biosphere came from. All we have to do is analyze the one example we do have available to us of evolutionary intelligent design, namely the evolution of all that which has been created by mankind and how that has occurred, and then comparing that to the structures and processes of earth’s biosphere and all that it contains.
In fact, we see the same design principles, structures and processes embodied in biologic life that we ourselves have used to create our own manosphere, which includes the totality of all man-made machines, systems, infrastructure and processes on earth. We see the principle of modular construction in life, as embodied by the endosymbiotic origin of mitochondria. We see the reuse of common structures and processes throughout large numbers of highly varying life forms and at multiple levels. We see that chromosomes are a form of computer programming using chemical codons for coded byes and ribosomes as the computer.
We see that simpler life forms existed before more complex lifeforms, and that there has in fact been an evolutionary progression from simpler to more complex life forms over time, just as we’ve seen the evolution of discrete component digital computing evolve in the 1940’s to the current massively integrated forms we have only 70 years later. Of course, when I use the word “evolution”, I mean “intelligently directed evolution”, not accidental evolution, with the latter of course actually being an oxymoron.
I’ve intensely studied computer programming, biologic processes and mechanisms and many other sciences for that matter, and to me, there is no doubt whatsoever that we and all other living parts of the earth’s biosphere were deliberately made by a higher intelligence than our own, and made in the same fashion as what we ourselves have made.
Personally, I believe we were made by beings somewhat similar to ourselves and only a million years (or maybe much less) more advanced than ourselves. And yes, that believe does indeed beg the question as to where THAT bunch of beings came from, but personally, I am satisfied just to know where we came from and not necessarily where everything came from.
On the other hand, we could always preform an experiment and see if we could get life to arise spontaneously again. However, that would take a long time, so instead, let’s perform a thought experiment, but instead of shooting for biologic life, let’s go for something simpler, say a nano-sized CF-53 Panasonic i7 laptop with Windows 7 Professional x64 with integrated nano-solar cells for power.
First, we fill a billion (or so) beakers full of the elemental powders from which the above were formed, put some sea water in, and then bombarded the laptop soup in the beakers with lightening for a few hundred million years (or so).
What are the chance of getting our nano-laptop and OS. Pretty good, right? After all, that’s a WAY simpler setup than a self-replicating cell.
Do you think that we would eventually obtain a single integrated circuit chip forming in the beaker? And then the chip should eventually EVOLVE all by itself into the laptop (with operating system) after being bombarded by cosmic rays for a long time after that? After all, bombarding an integrated circuit (or cell) with cosmic rays would be like bombarding an Intel i7 fabrication plant with 20mm depleted uranium shells from an A-10 Warthog, and expecting to get an i9 processor coming out of the factory afterwards.
If organic life formed by accident in a similar scenario, then certainly there should be no problem with obtaining the laptop and operating system in a like fashion, because after all, the laptop and OS are a few thousand trillion times simpler than, say, the Homo Sapiens species and our occupancy of our symbiotic biosphere. In fact, we should obtain the laptop and OS much faster because they are so much simpler.
I wonder how long we’ll have to shake our beakers?
It has been a long time, but thank you, Sir.
Condolences for yours, as well.
Next to the stale tuna melt and its muttering jabbering.
My pleasure. ;-)
Zoticide? I like it. :)
Ditto. Darling kitty. I’m very glad to see a cute ZOT
Zero.
You’re still rather incoherent. Nothing personal, not trying to slam you.
What are you trying to say?
LOL
Hi, my friend
The original with Carl Sagan had me beg my parents to buy me a telescope.
My parents took me to Hayden planetarium one school break. I read everything I could on this subject. I taught myself and read, helping me get better grades, and a life long love of watching stars and planets and reading science fiction.
Sagan might have his faults, but like I said, he made me fall in love with both astronomy, and science fiction when I was in 4th grade.
I can’t see Mr. Tyson doing that to me
Indeed. That is my kinder, gentler ZOT graphic.
I truly do hope that waterhill is just suspended and not banned.
“(IMO as well, Through the Wormhole’s choo-choo has gone around the bend; un-watchable.)”
The “wormhole” show was never watchable. I was never able to do more than 5 minutes. Talk about a show with an agenda...
“[...] I found Tyson’s treatment to be offensive, condescending, and smarmy.”
Yeah, I have tried to watch another “science” show with him on it (one of the many “universe” shows I think). He came across exactly as you indicated. To me, it doesn’t seem that he is a real scientist; he tries to hide it too much. Not “ghetto” enough perhaps? (Sorry, couldn’t resist....)
He was a longtime Freeper, wasn’t he?
Trying to hide not being a scientist or trying to hide being a scientist?
Not “ghetto” enough perhaps? (Sorry, couldn’t resist....)
You should have. There are plenty of White vulgarizers and popularizes of science and other things out there. Some of them have pretty privileged backgrounds. It's a racket -- the way to make more money.
Me too. I’ll ask Ceiling Cat to persuade The Viking Kitties.
Reference?
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