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To: PieterCasparzen

What "rebellion" are you talking about? The protests against the Moscow-backed Ukrainian president who swept away the reforms of the "Orange Revolution", ceding power over to -- himself?

Then by default, you seem to be saying Ukraine was never (in recent past) an independent nation, but instead, just a Russian vassal/hedge/border State which must return to subordination of the glorious Moscow.

The examples you list of grants being supplied in interests of furthering those stated causes are not crimes, but were part of the overall European effort, to assist Ukraine in bridging [perceived] gaps between themselves and the Ukraine, which was being negotiated on by the Ukrainian government both before AND after Moscow's candidate won high office.

It's not a CIA/Soros backed "coup", (though those entities are not aligned with Russian interests in the matter). It was above board and legitimate, even IF Soros was putting some of his own wealth towards those ends.

You make it sound like the CIA/Soros combo (if there is such a thing) initiated the entire affair.

That's what the EU, in all it bureaucratic windbagginess towering mounds of paperwork building, was trying to do. bless their little 'ol hearts...

Russia has been doing everything it can to prevent that from happening. It's like -- pointing at all the EU paperwork and threatening -- don't you dare --- while also manipulating the political scene in Ukraine as much as they can, at the same time. Meanwhile, the EU itself has some cracking going on, around the edges of their own foundations...

What we are seeing is the blowback from the Ukrainian people to the cynical Russian intrusions -- that demands that only their(Russian) demands be met -- or else.

You know what? Previously, in regards to the Russians murdering journalists who dug a bit too deep into the background info of Russian business & political climate -=-- to the North Vietnamese being targeted by U.S. Special Ops, when the United States was (rightly or wrongly) at war with those peoples.

Are you really that far off center?

37 posted on 02/19/2014 9:25:18 PM PST by BlueDragon (there's no place like home)
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To: BlueDragon

Soros should not have anything to do with Ukraine as he’s not a Ukrainian citizen.

If I was doing business in France, would I take it upon myself to start trying to, say, get it to leave the EU ?

Quite simply, I’d be afraid of bad business consequences for me if I got too pushy with government officials. I might make what friends I could personally and try to convince them through simple personal debate, but that’s about it. No money, no organizations. I’d be too afraid. Then again, I’m not a billionaire.

And, if the government resisted the effort, would I persist and start building an organization to do that, in including getting involved in ANY way with protestors who wanted the current French government to stand down ?

I would expect some French agents to come try to knock me off if I did that.

The rebellion I’m talking about is what is going on right now in Ukraine.

To you, I seem like I work for Russia, to me, you seem like you work for Soros !

I could of course see internal bad reactions politically to sweeping away the reforms. I remember seeing that story, thinking, oh, that sounds like a bad move.

When you say “assist Ukraine in bridging gaps”... the word Ukraine sounds lofty, but whose progress are the Europeans interested in, Europe’s or Ukraine’s ?

Then you say it was not a CIA/Soros backed “coup”, but that can’t be proven any more than that it was. Only insiders really know.

The turf war between Russia and the West is dumb. There’s no need in business or trade to give the short end of the stick to someone unless the trading partners are greedy. Otherwise, how could trading partners that do happily trade with each other do so ? It’s like the establishments of the various countries just want games to continue. IMHO, at the behest of their local financial elites.

What’s really goofy is that one well-placed guy once said that the major goal was to eventually get the US and Russia to merge, as a final step to unification. Of course, world government is a horrifically bad idea. I’m not suggesting that Russia and the West ever be joined (I’m an absolute believer in national sovereignty) - but certainly it should be possible with where things are today to get along fine.

But that doesn’t fit in with the plans of transnational financial elites.


40 posted on 02/19/2014 10:18:54 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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