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The People of the Ukraine, between a rock and a hard place. ~ Vanity
GraceG
Posted on 02/19/2014 2:34:29 PM PST by GraceG
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posted on
02/19/2014 2:34:29 PM PST
by
GraceG
To: GraceG
Nobody is fighting for them, because ‘them’ is very hard to define. Ukraine is as polarized today as the USA was during the Civil War. Language and culture separates them.
Right now, apparently talks are underway, so we can hope for an end to the violence.
What’s more interesting is Venezuela, where people are struggling and dying to get rid of Chavez’s successor.
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posted on
02/19/2014 2:39:19 PM PST
by
Viennacon
To: GraceG
The US shoulda supported the Iranian Green Rev.
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posted on
02/19/2014 2:43:07 PM PST
by
Paladin2
To: GraceG
“So who is looking out for the Ukrainians who want their own country?”
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Well, Ukraine, since the breakup of the USSR, is an independent country. Obviously, it is too valuable for Putin, and others, to let it be.
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posted on
02/19/2014 2:43:23 PM PST
by
AlexW
To: GraceG; Viennacon
Send the people of Ukraine and Venezuela our Constitution. We’re not using it.
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posted on
02/19/2014 2:44:03 PM PST
by
PGalt
To: Viennacon
"Whats more interesting is Venezuela, where people are struggling and dying to get rid of Chavezs successor."
Slaves to Cuba.
Soon to be here in the US.
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posted on
02/19/2014 2:45:05 PM PST
by
Paladin2
To: PGalt
Send the people of Ukraine and Venezuela our Constitution. Were not using it.
NAILED IT!
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posted on
02/19/2014 2:46:37 PM PST
by
GraceG
To: GraceG
This mess is all about Russia's "Monroe Doctrine", unspoken as it is.
The Russians still station their Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol.
Ukraine has been a Russian satellite for hundreds of years.
Yeah, that sucks for them, but nobody is going to do anything about it.
But, are we really sure it DOES suck for them?
The great game is afoot again. In real terms Ukraine with be either a Russian client or a German (EU) client. And Russia is willing to do whatever it takes to ensure they stay a Russian client.
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posted on
02/19/2014 3:01:36 PM PST
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
To: Viennacon
>>Language and culture separates them.<<
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Wish we could be that lucky. Here in the US we have a third dimension that divides us — race.
In the long run, diversity sucks.
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posted on
02/19/2014 3:14:23 PM PST
by
353FMG
To: 353FMG
Ukrainian moms and pops in the west are sending money, clothing to brave (peaceful first) demonstrators at Maidan. Enough Russian “care”, they want to be free, independent and rather deal with western civilized nations than with Russian KGB commiesaaaars!
80% of Ukraine is uprising!
To: GraceG
” and not to get ANY boot off of their throats? “
NBC’s richard engle has arrived on scene same as Egypt, Libya, Syria. It’s a tell.
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posted on
02/19/2014 3:40:24 PM PST
by
Selene
To: Selene; GraceG
I just saw NBC's coverage; Brian Williams and
Alan Greenspan's wife were hard at work.
IMHO, it looks just like all the other revolutions we've been seeing in the news.
For a population around 45 million...
there are only those "protestors in the square".
There was no report of millions in the square, scrapping with police, torching tires, etc. All those are the identical tactics of the pattern of recent revolutions.
The news coverage only showed what could be hundreds or certainly thousands. But a lot of the 45 million Ukrainians are evidently watching this from the sidelines.
What would bring these protestors to clamor so vociferously for wanting to do business with the EU ? Perhaps it's not just money ? Is it about morality ? The EU is a godless bunch of heathens and pagans. Is that was Ukraine wants to head towards ?
A good marketing campaign with a healthy dose of community organizing certainly would lure people into getting involved in activism to a more solid, open relationship with the US and the EU.
Victoria Nuland, , US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, of
Benghazi Coverup fame, was shown on NBC strolling around encouraging the protestors. Poor Victoria was recently in a bit of a diplomatic embarassment when Russia apparently released an audio of Ms. Nuland uttering "F*** the EU" in a conversation; though her reaction to the release seemed quite calm. Ahh, what a "diplomatic" corps we have.
The "projects" below are listed on the website of the International Renaissance Foundations (the Soros-backed Open Society organization that operates inside Ukraine).
Select an activity to view grants
Activities 2013
Activities 2012
Activities 2011
Activities 2010
Activities 2009
Activities 2008
Activities 2007
Activities 2006
Activities 2005
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posted on
02/19/2014 4:19:23 PM PST
by
PieterCasparzen
(We have to fix things ourselves)
To: Selene; GraceG
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posted on
02/19/2014 4:22:54 PM PST
by
PieterCasparzen
(We have to fix things ourselves)
To: Mariner
In real terms Ukraine with be either a Russian client or a German (EU) client.And the reality is that Galicia, Ruthenia, and the Bukovina will go to Germany, and the rest will go to Russia.
Same as it ever was.
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posted on
02/19/2014 4:26:10 PM PST
by
Jim Noble
(When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
To: Jim Noble
"And the reality is that Galicia, Ruthenia, and the Bukovina will go to Germany, and the rest will go to Russia."
When were the regions you mention ever part of Germany, Austro-Hungary...or even reaching back to the Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Peoples?
If my limited knowledge of history is correct all of Ukraine was either part of the Mongol Empire or Russian Empire, unless we reach back to the time of the Original Roman Empire when the area was mostly Slavic and Celt tribes...not claimed or organized. Even the Goths settled there a while but never made an actual country of it.
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posted on
02/19/2014 4:51:05 PM PST
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
To: Leo Carpathian
>>>independent and rather deal with western civilized nations than with Russian KGB commiesaaaars<<<
Isn’t it quite ironic that ethnic Ukrainians has somehow dominated KGB ranks who were led by a Georgian?
To: GraceG
Uninformed nonsense. Who’s spreading this crap, some Alex Jones?
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posted on
02/19/2014 5:08:44 PM PST
by
Revolting cat!
(Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
To: PieterCasparzen
Getting 404 file not found, at every link.
What do you have against Ukrainians, anyway?
You are coming across more & more like a Russian, since you keep pushing the Russian Putin Party talking points.
Does it ever occur to you the Ukrainians may have some real & actual beefs with the latest Admin there? The man overthrew the constitution that was just put in place some years previous, about as soon as he got into office.
Soros, soros, soros. It's not that simple.
But are you --THAT simple minded?
To: Mariner
Galicia and Ruthenia were Austrian or Hungarian from before 1000 AD until 1918.
All of Western Ukraine was in the Empire.
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posted on
02/19/2014 5:22:18 PM PST
by
Jim Noble
(When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. E)
To: Jim Noble
Yep, just did that check myself and I confirm you are correct. We4stern Ukraine was indeed part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and before that the Lithuanian/Polish Empires.
I'm very happy you prompted me to learn that!
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posted on
02/19/2014 5:39:50 PM PST
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
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