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Why you're wrong about communism: 7 huge misconceptions about it (and capitalism)
salon.com ^ | February 2, 2014 | Jesse Myerson

Posted on 02/04/2014 5:40:41 AM PST by Travis McGee

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To: bboop

I was just thinking about that. Communism is supposed to be some sort of science or such. But it “has never been implemented properly”. So, they made all the hypothesis and all the testing and such from... nothing at all. The “never been implemented” bit is enough to make it a fraud.


21 posted on 02/04/2014 6:06:43 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: celmak

We have a word for this kind of writing: drivel.


22 posted on 02/04/2014 6:07:39 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Louis Foxwell

It should also be mentioned if only in passing that each of the misconceptions listed are all ridiculous red herrings. I have never heard anyone make quite these carefully worded assertions.


23 posted on 02/04/2014 6:07:44 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: Travis McGee

“For me, communism is an aspiration”

Another one in for a prison sentence when America rises up. The pathway to good intentions is paved with gravestones. This disgusting piece of subhuman garbage is another Stalin waiting to happen.


24 posted on 02/04/2014 6:08:32 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Moose Burger

Looks like FoxNews is to blame for the failure(?) or misunderstanding of communism or something. Just like the “lyin’ king” tried to blame the “bloggers and talking heads” for all the uh, “mis-statements” supposedly attributed to him. With a straight face and video evidence, denial is the only way to go. Guess mr.salon has never seen beneath the surface of communism and probably doesn’t care to. Wonder if he went on a castro approved tour of Cuba where the “handlers” show you how great things are there.


25 posted on 02/04/2014 6:08:36 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for posting this article from Salon. It never ceases to amaze me how people intentionally remain so ignorant of reality. The Holodomor in the Ukraine, has for years been touted as a mere accident of collectivization. In fact, it was the intentional genocide of 25% of the Ukrainian population (over 8 million men, women, and children) ordered by Stalin and personally supervised by the “great reformer” Nikita Khrushchev. I challenge anyone to read THE BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM, written by former believers in communism...It details the deaths of the over 100 million people exterminated by communist systems beginning with Lenin and extending through the regimes of Mao, Pol-pot, Chiochescu, Ho Chi Min, Castro, and many throughout Eastern Europe, Africa, and Central America. When Reagan called it the Evil Empire, he got it so right.


26 posted on 02/04/2014 6:09:01 AM PST by Bill Russell
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To: Travis McGee

Even my dyed-in-the-wool whackjob sister doesn’t endorse full-blown communism, and that’s saying something.


27 posted on 02/04/2014 6:10:26 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, STANDING WITH RAND.)
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To: Travis McGee

Communism, and socialism, what a joke. You can dress them up and make them sound sooo appealing to the uninformed and ill-informed. But at the end of the day everyone that knows anything about history, economics, and government knows that communism and socialism suck. Plain and simple they are demonstrably some of the worst social/economic/government systems for societies to adopt. Perhaps only evil dictatorship and utter chaos are worse.


28 posted on 02/04/2014 6:14:41 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Travis McGee
I went to the USSR in 1986 as a teen and saw first-hand the devastation and poverty that their ideology had wrought. The Russian kids would sneak into our hotel air ducts and work their way up to the third floor to get a chance to trade with us for western products.

The first thing they would do was whisper "KGB" and search our room fixtures for bugs. Their technology was about 15 years behind to be generous. The kids even offered to trade a girl for the braces on her teeth.

But this article isn't about convincing you or me about how benevolent communism is. It's about convincing our kids who didn't see what we saw, who can't remember the fear and oppression.

The commies know they have an opportunity for a fresh crack at the USA by going after the already propagandized minds of our youths.

By the way....Jesse Myerson would do well to discuss the Berlin Wall and other methods used by the commies to prevent their citizens from escape. A capitalist nation may have to take measures to keep people out. But a communist nation takes measures to keep people in...and that's enough convincing for me.
29 posted on 02/04/2014 6:15:43 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Travis McGee; All

Great post. Thanks. I’ve only read the great comments.

Individual vs. collective BUMP!


30 posted on 02/04/2014 6:15:55 AM PST by PGalt
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To: mmichaels1970
The kids even offered to trade a girl for the braces on her teeth.

ahemm...to clarify: trade WITH a girl. The russian kids didn't offer to trade us a girl although that would have made for an interesting negotiation.
31 posted on 02/04/2014 6:19:34 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: Travis McGee
Communism is harder to kill than Dracula. They are always waiting to seduce another generation of historical idiots...

There's a reason for that. In every society, regardless of economic and political structure there's always been a pyramid of wealth roughly described by the Pareto (power-law) distribution. That means that there's always a "1%" and a larger population of the less well-off. Jealousy has always been a powerful emotion, and Communism in its revolutionary stage has been persistent in inflaming it.

Once communism is established, you have a new class with wealth and power, justified by their role as trustees of the proletariat. Look at the Soviet apparatchiks or the Chinese CCP "princelings."

32 posted on 02/04/2014 6:21:11 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: polymuser
How do some Americans get so lost?

They don't have functional bullshit filters to protect them from teachers and the media.

33 posted on 02/04/2014 6:21:31 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Travis McGee; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan

Aww, Come on, Travis...

Whoopie Goldberg said “some us believe, ya know, communism isn’t all THAT bad...”

It’s just that the right people haven’t been in charge, that’s all!

We’re experiencing “compassionate communism” right now - you know, the way Marx and Engels REALLY REALLY REALLY meant it to be....


34 posted on 02/04/2014 6:22:57 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; Travis McGee; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan

...and of course the “/sarc” tag ends my previous... as if I really needed it...


35 posted on 02/04/2014 6:23:49 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Travis McGee
As a small child in Hong Kong, I saw first hand how the Communist sympathizers terrorized Hong Kong in 1967 and have talked with people who managed to escape the horrors of the Great Leap Forward and Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, telling me of unspeakable crimes against innocent people.

55 million dead from mass shootings, labor camps, forced exile and deliberate famine between 1949 and 1976--the time of Mao Zedong's rule of China--is probably a very conservative estimate, for we may never really know how many Chinese died in this period. And the Cultural Revolution caused enormous harm of China's great historical and cultural heritage.

36 posted on 02/04/2014 6:26:33 AM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Travis McGee; mmichaels1970

If Communism is so great, why did they shoot those that tried to leave?
In a very narrow spot on the Danube between Slovakia and Austria, the old building with gun ramps is still there as a memory of soldiers shooting those that tried to swim over to freedom.


37 posted on 02/04/2014 6:30:50 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Travis McGee

Typical communist daydream, “we are all free to be a hunter in the morning”.....nobody is working in this example. So who is producing to provide food and shelter if we are all busy just “being”?
These brilliant dreamers just never think about that part.


38 posted on 02/04/2014 6:31:16 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Procyon
All those horrible things attributed to Communists? Those weren’t the result of the real, pure Communism that our teachers are trying to teach us about.

Grin, I know you're being sarcastic here. That's one of the traps "modern" self-proclaimed intellectuals fall into. They believe communism and socialism have failed repeatedly (100% failure rate at making happy, prosperous societies) due to mistakes made by the people trying it.

Today's commie intellectual believes (quite falsely) that they themselves are soooo much smarter and wiser than those who have gone before (self-aggrandizing ego trip). They think communism and socialism have only failed because the right people weren't in charge. Of course, they believe themselves to be "the right people" to lead us poor slobs. They honestly think they know what's best for everyone. I know, laughable right? It would be knee-slapping funny if they weren't actually serious about that. They think only they know best.

39 posted on 02/04/2014 6:31:35 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Travis McGee

Article is garbage. Communism and socialism make it acceptable to run over the basic human rights of individuals. Look what our “benevolent” government is doing to individuals and small businesses now. It is criminal. . . and we have not quite gotten to full blown communism yet. IMHO, we are socialist now.


40 posted on 02/04/2014 6:34:03 AM PST by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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