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To: CynicalBear; metmom

Jesus Himself used the Old Testament to prove that He was indeed the Christ, who had come to put an end to the curse which the Law had placed over men.

In the synagogue (publicly), Jesus refuted the beliefs held by the Jews, the followers of the Law.... The beliefs which Jesus powerfully refuted were those which are held and defended today By Rood and those who follow his teachings.

Acts 18:28...... shows clearly that Jesus Himself used the Old Testament to prove that He was indeed the Christ, who had come to put ‘an end to the curse which the Law had placed over men’.

Roods teachings are heretical and should in no way be associated with the Christian faith IMO....and it’s impossible reasoning with those who are ‘entrenched in his stronghold’ and false teachings of...... The scriptures they use are so deeply altered to reflect their own belief system that the true, simple and authoritative reference (the bible) can never be a common basis for discussion. This can often be so with false religions using Christainity to obtain their following.

Whatever scripture refutes or nullifies their teaching is simply ignored or, more likely, responded to with their favorite phrase – ‘that was mistranslated’....just as we have seen on this thread.

So as I see it Rood followers have evidenced what his teachings accomplish in thier life....as they have their faith replaced with self righteousness, elitism and legalism....and this can be seen and heard on other sites which debate Roods teachings as well.

Interesting are some testimonies of people requesting prayer for those under Roods “spell”.......they have watched the people they love become lost to them....no longer the individual they have known and admired. And is the standard for those who have left the faith and protection of the Christian faith into “something else” altogether.


508 posted on 02/06/2014 12:02:23 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
Jesus Himself used the Old Testament to prove that He was indeed the Christ, who had come to put an end to the curse which the Law had placed over men.

Romans 8:1-11 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

511 posted on 02/06/2014 12:09:13 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: caww
I normally would prefer to stay out of these kinds of endless theological arguments that accomplish NOTHING but division - despite the justification that it somehow keeps the faith "true".

This statement however, raised my eyebrows and perhaps this is what is at the crux and heart of this entire argument:

Jesus Himself used the Old Testament to prove that He was indeed the Christ, who had come to put an end to the curse which the Law had placed over men.

I do not understand this interpretation. That somehow The Law itself was a curse placed on mankind. I cannot find that interpretation anywhere in scripture.The only place I find it is in the doctrines of various denominations.

Instead I find the curse OF the Law being the transgression of the Law, placed on men BY THEIR OWN SINS.

If murder is a sin, and therefore part of the Law of God - it existed BEFORE Sinai which we are told is what was 'nailed to the cross'.

If Abel's blood cried out to The Lord, then what was done there in Genesis WAS the transgression of God's Law which had to be ALREADY implemented for the sin of murder to be imparted to Cain.

Did God curse Adam and Eve by placing His Law on them? I don't read that interpretation in scripture. Only in tradition. The Law of God is liberty, liberty from the consequences and curses of violating The Law.

From what I can glean from scripture, God did not place the Law on mankind as a curse. The Law defines for us what Sin is. Without the Law we would have no knowledge of sin, nor any idea what to repent of. Breaking The Law was and is the curse - because the Law demands death for transgressing His Law.

I can find nowhere in scripture in the context it is being presented that we are 'free from the Law of God' - meaning we are free to break it without consequence.

If the Law is done away with, nailed to the cross - can we murder, steal, lie and covet now that we claim Christ? Should we sin that Grace may abound?

I find we are free from the penalty that God's Law Requires when we transgress it and repent through Christ.

Since Christ is the perfect Passover sacrifice, there is no longer a need for the sacrificial system for sanctification which Christ fulfilled in total.

My understanding is that is what has been nailed to the Cross - is both the inferior sacrificial system (which still pointed to Christ BTW), and the wages we earn from sin, which is death.

God's Law defines sin. The Sacrificial system detailed what was required in order to have a relationship with God, who is without sin and has no part of sin. Even that aspect of The Law has not been done away with. Christ became the sacrificial system, which was only a foreshadow of Himself to begin with. There was no salvation from the penalty of death to eternal life in the blood of bulls and goats. There is only Salvation to Life in Christ's blood and sacrifice.

If the death angel spared the Hebrews under the blood of a lamb, how much more are we spared eternal death by being under the blood of THE LAMB?

God's Law is still there from what I can understand. Not one jot or tittle diminished, for the Kingdom of God is not yet come in full. Death and tears still remain. Until those are wiped away - all is not yet fulfilled. At least that is what I understand and hold to.

529 posted on 02/06/2014 2:30:30 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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