The Mark of the Beast and the Demise of the New World Order

>> “Brother you are trying to fit God’s word into man’s calendar.” <<

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Complete nonsense.

We go by the Biblical calendar only, and that calendar goes only by the appearance of the new moon at Jerusalem.

The only way we have of knowing the moon at the time Yeshua was born is by computation, and to do that we need software that does the computation based on the known properties of the moon’s orbit.

This is how we know the exact date of Yeshua’s birth, and the exact date of his crucifixion.

Knowledge is power, guessing, like you do, is confusion.

Satan is the author of confusion.

Your twisting of Yehova’s day’s beginning is of Satan, no matter hoe you cut it. Yehova’s day begins at sunset.

Reject confusion.

You raise an interesting question concerning if at one time, the days of the week started over at the beginning of the new moon. If they ever counted them like that, which I highly doubt, it would have been pre Babylonian, IMO. Again, I doubt they ever did. The sequence of days goes back for millennia.

The day has always ended and the next day began at sundown. It's probably related to the first new moon (i.e., it must be dark to see a new moon sliver with such low illumination). Everything is based around the sighting of the new moon - therefore the need to start a new day.

Rood's creator's calendar has about 4 hours devoted to this topic. In the presentation along with Rood is a Karite Jew who belongs to a Jewish organization working to replace the currently used Jewish Calendar with the original corrected Biblical calendar.

I have a copy of Rood's calendar and use it all the time when studying signs in the heavens, prophecies, special dates and etc. I posted info on the four blood moons and how they would happen on Jewish high Sabbath feast days here on FR over a year ago, way before it made it into the national news and several books.

The "Jonah Code" made offer an idea on your three days in the tomb theory you mentioned, though I don't remember. During the Passover week when Yeshua was crucified, there were two Sabbaths. See the timeline below:

Scripture tells us in Genesis 1:14 that the sun and moon were used for signs, and moeds(our english bibles say seasons- you and I think of spring, summer, fall, winter , but the Hebrew word ‘moed’ (H#4150) means tent of meeting, appointed times, solemn feasts, congregation) and for days and years.
Our English is almost a criminally poor translation..

And in Exodus 12, YHWH is instructing Moses on the the month...

I saw that New Moon is the same word in Hebrew as Month in my concordance, hodesh, and that word search in Scripture is an interesting study because the concordance shows it a lot (#2320)
Scripture says that , 2. This new moon (month) shall be to you the beginning of new moons (month). It shall be the first new moon(month) of(belongs to) the year to you.

Lunar months don’t determine solar years.
And when reading it, the question is does it say beginning of year or the 1st month of the year?
The sun (with the equinox) provides the new year and the new moon would then have to belong to the year.(after the equinox)
I thought last passover that the entire Jewish world was a month late ( they were complaining here that Thanksgiving was going to interupt their feasts, if that made any news where you live it- it did me...) and had they read Exodus, it would not have been overlapped at thanksgiving..

God gave Moses ( and all of us) a way to find a year and a month and a day, etc, with His Creation just as Genesis says. Some use just the sun and they are wrong... some use just the moon and they are wrong..

God gave us both and both are vital for finding his moeds- H#4150( tent of meeting, appointed times, solemn feasts, etc...)
Again, our English poor translation of ‘seasons’ in Genesis 1:14, which we assume means spring, summer, fall, winter..

Without a concordance and these word studies, not sure if the scales can come off of believer’s eyes to see....people who don’t believe are gonna follow the world and its systems blindly anyway..

I shouldn’t know this stuff! ... But I have acted completely by faith for two years and these are some of the blessings that come from rejecting the world and its systems, and trusting and following Him.

All this is life altering. And unlearning what the world taught me ( and all us) places a new value on walking in light of His word and His truth and not stumbling in the world’s darkness..
The more I learn from Him, the more I learn about this world..

And there is no church denomination that is teaching me any of this..no pastor or preacher or priest shepherding me.. I am learning from the Master Himself. And I am a slow, and I pray, a continually humble learner..

The toughest and not popular part of God’s calendar is that there is no ( see gregorian calendar 2014)Jan 1st, or Feb 2nd, or Feb 14th, or Feb 17th, or March 5th, or March 17th, or April 1st, or April 13th, or April 18th, or April 20th, or April 22nd, or May 5th, or May 11th, or May 17th, or May 26th, or June 14th, or June 15th, or July 4th, or September 1st, or September 7th, or October 13th, or October 24th, or October 31st, or November 11th, or November 27th, or December 7th, or December 24th and 25th, or December 31st..

Most believers recognize those dates and those man made holy days (holidays)
The secular humanists have their secular calendar and most of the Bible believing world uses it too because we really were taught it from an early age by well meaning believers or secular humanists...

Some of those believers have an opinion on who/what the beast or beast power is..there are few things that unify the world of politics, secularism and religions like the secular calender...everybody has days that are ‘theirs’ in the calendar... my thought is I want to come out of that as much as is physically and spiritualy possible.
All my heart, all my soul and all my mind is needed for His calendar.. it isn’t what the world observes. And it is a constant reminder I am in this world, not of it. Nothing does it better than seeing His calendar next to the world’s calendar.. puts things in perspective for me..

If you go by the new moon and new month in Jerusalem, that is what I observe too... and then the moeds are found with that just as Genesis states..it is a beautifully simple calendar with no postponements or suspension rules needed.

From the sounds of it then, you don’t observe a continous Saturnsday sabbath and observe the Biblical month and week of:
New moon day being the first day of the month,
then six normal work days and then,
the Seventh day Sabbath?
You and I observe the same calendar then!
I too try to ignore the Gregorian calendar because the secular humanists have their days on it, the Muslims have their days on it, and the churchianity crowd have their days on it and it just muddies God’s perfect design.
Blessings! It isn’t an easy calendar to observe in this secular humanist world!

What you post make no sense.

Yehova’s Sabbaths have been continuous from the creation, every seven days. These are completely independent of the Moons/Months.

The lunar cycle is approximately 29.6 days, so there is no way that the two can coincide on a rational basis. The other lump in your gravy is the beginning of the year, at the month of the Aviv Barley. This requires an “Adar Bet” every few years as the lunar 12th cycle advances by approximately 1/3 of a cycle per year. The year cannot begin until the barley is “Aviv,” which essentially means close enough to ripe that it will be possible to grind flour in two weeks from that date.

This is an observation that can only be made at the temple mount in Jerusalem, which is the reason that the use of the Biblical calendar had to be suspended in the 4th century, and temporarily replaced by a tabular astronomical computation.

That table became untenable about 20 years ago, which spawned several attempts to restore the Biblical method. None were successful until Michael rood teamed up with Nehemia Gordon, an expert in the ancient scriptures, and they were able to assemble the methods and obtain accurate astronomical data to restore the calendar.

The Sabbath must be continuous to comply with Torah, as all prophetic events are based therein. The accuracy of the Rood/Gordon calendar has been verified by its coincidence with the date of restoration of the nation of Israel “in one day” exactly as prophesied.

For the purpose of computation of any astronomical event, the use of the Julian calendar is the established method, simply because that is the one that Astronomy has chosen, and all tables and software are based on it. That is the sole value of any man made calendar.

What you post make no sense.

Yehova’s Sabbaths have been continuous from the creation, every seven days. These are completely independent of the Moons/Months.

The lunar cycle is approximately 29.6 days, so there is no way that the two can coincide on a rational basis. The other lump in your gravy is the beginning of the year, at the month of the Aviv Barley. This requires an “Adar Bet” every few years as the lunar 12th cycle advances by approximately 1/3 of a cycle per year. The year cannot begin until the barley is “Aviv,” which essentially means close enough to ripe that it will be possible to grind flour in two weeks from that date. This is of the utmost importance because Biblical celebration of Passover and First fruits are completely dependent thereon.

This is an observation that can only be made at the temple mount in Jerusalem, which is the reason that the use of the Biblical calendar had to be suspended in the 4th century, and temporarily replaced by a tabular astronomical computation.

That table became untenable about 20 years ago, which spawned several attempts to restore the Biblical method. None were successful until Michael rood teamed up with Nehemia Gordon, an expert in the ancient scriptures, and they were able to assemble the methods and obtain accurate astronomical data to restore the calendar.

The Sabbath must be continuous to comply with Torah, as all prophetic events are based therein. The accuracy of the Rood/Gordon calendar has been verified by its coincidence with the date of restoration of the nation of Israel “in one day” exactly as prophesied.

For the purpose of computation of any astronomical event, the use of the Julian calendar is the established method, simply because that is the one that Astronomy has chosen, and all tables and software are based on it. That is the sole value of any man made calendar.

Ezekiel 46:1, In this manner SAYSs the Soveriegn YHWH, The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the SIX working days; BUT on the Sabbath it Shall be opened, AND in the day of the New Moon it shall be opened

1. East gate is shut for six working days.
2. East gate is open on the Sabbath. A holy day.
3. East gate is open on New Moon day. A holy day.

That’s 3 different days according to YHWH.

Three different time events... Just like Creation..

YHWH created the heavens and the earth Before the first work day...
Certainly considered a time consuming event but not detailed on the first work day in Genesis. It is set apart...

Then six working days, and then the Sabbath..

Just like He points out in specific in Ezekiel..

New moon was different than a work day And different then the seventh day sabbath,so says YHWH.

Not enough for you as proof that there isn’t a continuous seven days week since the beginning?

The battle of Jericho, please explain the seven days of Marching with no Sabbath violation...
40 years in the wilderness and YHWH is going to let Israel break the Sabbath?
Only that they didn’t. And the key was the New Moon day began the march...

Daniel 7:25
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, AND THINK TO CHANGE TIMES and LAWS: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Man playing God when the answer is in Scripture and in His sky..
Prophetic

The “day of the new moon spoken of there is Yom Teruah, the only feast that always falls on the beginning of the month.

So that makes only two, not three, the regular sabbath, and Yom Teruah.

On Yom Teruah, the gate was not opened until two witnesses came up to declare that the moon was observed.

Yehova created the Heavens and the Earth ON the first work day.

My copy...
Genesis 1:1-2
In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens and the earth. 2. And the earth had become waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep;

I am having trouble with ‘had become waste and void’ part of my Scripture copy.

Honestly, how could Day one began before He said, Let there be Light? The light was then called Day, right?

If the first Day really started before YHWH said Let there be light and called that light Day, when did it start and why did He call the light day?

It makes more sense to me that the Light that He spoke came first for our Creation week.. (dark/night/nothingness is just the absence of Light, correct?)
Then scripture say there was twilight (dusk -my copy says evening which always comes immediately after the light of any daylight today).
and then the full dark night and then the break of dawn (morning in my copy) as the completion of the first Day.
But we certainly cannot know for sure because translations differ and there is thought the earth has had more than one age...

And i do have some other questions to follow up..
You mentioned the first day of the seventh month- Allthese mentions of the word hodesh or rosh hodesh (when translating to new moon) discussed in:
1 Sam 20:5, 18, 24
2 Kings 4:23
1 Chronicles 23:31
2 Chronicles 2:4; 31:3
Ezra 3:5
Nehemiah 10:33
Psalm 81:3
Isaiah 1:13-14
Isaiah 66:23
Ezekiel 45:17, 46:3; 46:6
Amos 8:5

All above are about the first day of the seventh month only? My copies sometimes uses a plural form but that may just be the English...

If there is a new moon on the seventh month, isn’t there one every month? Like the first month where it is also crucial for counting to Passover.

Alos, What happens on your calendar if the first day of the seventh month falls on a Saturday ? Is it a high sabbath?
Or if it is a Friday, do you have two Sabbaths in a row, with no preparation day? Is there a postponement?

And why is month and new moon the same word in Hebrew?

And please don’t forget Jericho. I really want to see how the Gregorian, Julian, or any calculated calendar can prove Jericho wasn’t a violation of YHWH sabbath commandment.
Because with the calendar that begins every month with a new moon(not just the 7th) , there is no sabbath violation...
(As the book of Jasher confirms and Ezekiel speaking for YHWH confirms)

Thanks for the discussion... iron sharpens iron!

That thing you’re reading from is not God’s word!

The earth had not “become” without form and void.

Day one definitely came before light. Day one was the creation of the mass that became the entire universe. There were no suns to bring light yet.

You seem to want to be the designer.

The translations differ certainly..

But what about Jericho?

All days are reckoned by their beginning at sundown, what would Jericho change about that?

Verse 2
Erets- world,earth
Hayah— to be,become, happen, the common verb of being, change of state
Tohuw- formless, waste, empty, useless, confused.
Bohuw-emptiness, desolation, a void associated with ‘chaos..

I don’t think the translation I showed was that egregious given word study of verse 2.

Jericho was a 7 day battle.... one of those was a Sabbath day on man’s calendar..it has to be if the calendar is ‘continuous’.

YHWH, according to man’s calendars, allowed Israel’s men to violate the Sabbath? Or maybe somebody would have to see marching in war not as work.that is a stretch..

However, with the new moon rendering, there is no sabbath violation at the beginning of any Month in YHWH’s calendar.
The book of Jasher, referenced in Scripture notes details the battle of Jericho :

Book of Jasher, Chapter 88, starting with verse 14...
14 And it was in the Second month, on the FIRST day of the month(NEW MOON), that the Lord said to Joshua, Rise up, behold I have given Jericho into thy hand with all the people thereof; and all your fighting men shall go round the city, once each day, thus shall you do for six days.

15 And the priests shall blow upon trumpets, and when you shall hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall give a great shouting, that the walls of the city shall fall down; all the people shall go up every man against his opponent.

16 And Joshua did so according to all that the Lord had commanded him.

17 And on the seventh day they went round the city seven times, and the priests blew upon trumpets.

18 And at the seventh round, Joshua said to the people, Shout, for the Lord has delivered the whole city into our hands.

19 Only the city and all that it contains shall be accursed to the Lord, and keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest you make the camp of Israel accursed and trouble it.

20 But all the silver and gold and brass and iron shall be consecrated to the Lord, they shall come into the treasury of the Lord.

21 And the people blew upon trumpets and made a great shouting, and the walls of Jericho fell down, and all the people went up, every man straight before him, and they took the city and utterly destroyed all that was in it, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and ass, with the edge of the sword.

22 And they burned the whole city with fire; only the vessels of silver and gold, and brass and iron, they put into the treasury of the Lord.

23 And Joshua swore at that time, saying, Cursed be the man who builds Jericho; he shall lay the foundation thereof in his first-born, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates thereof.

The seventh day of YHWH’s calendar is the sixth work day.
Ezekiel 46 explained it too:

YHWH’s design:
New moon(new month) day- day 1 of every month
Six work days- days 2,3,4,5,6, and 7th day of His month ( 7 days and no sabbath only occurs once each month in YHWH’s calendar- Jericho was completed on this day)
Seventh day Sabbath, the eighth day of His month.(no violation)

It is why Jericho, there was no sabbath violation with seven days of marching, especially with the last day ( the 7th day of His month, not week) being that the 7th day of the battle was the bloodiest...

The new moon starts a new month and that is why it is the same word in Hebrew.
Somewhere this was all lost ( when man’s calculations began to overtake YHWH creation- which is why we all are in this discussion with the mark of The beast- because it is all about worship)

The world, led by the political powers, secular powers and the christian/jewish religious powers ( Vatican And most if not all the Christian world and Jews accept the calendar premise) has been using man’s calculations and understandinngs and definitions to render our time and our worship..

Man tells us a day begins at midnight. Some argue like you and I when Scripture tells us when it begins, but at least we are different than the world.

The world tells us when a year begins but you and I know scripture says otherwise.

The world tells us when a week and month begins and I am convinced they are as wrong about the week and month as they are about the day and year. ( and I hope more people see it too)

scripture tells us in prophecy that he will try to change times and laws...
We are living in it if you ask me..

>> “YHWH, according to man’s calendars, allowed Israel’s men to violate the Sabbath?” <<

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Did the priests ‘violate’ the sabbath?

Get some understanding!

Maybe you think Jericho was a parade and a parade is allowed on a Sabbath according to rabbinical laws?

If you can ever explain or find some other really smart person to explain how a seven day march battle was allowed with one of those days being the Sabbath , I will be happy to hear it.

I have given you the Holy Word’s answer- It wasn’t.

Because they weren’t marking time with your Gregorian calendar or any calculated sun based calendar of the time..

Unless the answer is they didn’t violate it because marching in an offensive war is deemed not ‘work’

Understanding scripture using a Gregorian calendar in your head gets complicated and messy when trying to square days, weeks, months, years against Scripture.
No problem though with God’s perfect designed calendar.

Maybe the answer is, you have no logical, gregorian week answer to Jericho.

I know and readily admit I am still learning and growing... lots more to learn about God’s designs and plans..

I pray you research Jericho at your leisure and can, after that research, boldly defend the faith you have in the Gregorian calendar like I have in God’s calendar.

May your study be blessed..

You seem to disregard Yeshua’s words, “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.”

I just want a gregorian calendar follower( I used to be) to explain how after 40 years in the wilderness patiently instructing Israel about His eternal truths and absolutes like His Sabbath and His feasts, that the first command counter to His law, would be have those Israel holymen and warrior men to leave their camp and their families and use the Sabbath to not only wage war, but on the seventh day described in Scripture, to spare no life in Jericho, but those with Rahab.
Now Scripture doesn’t note that it was done on the Sabbath. Just on the seventh day of the march.

It may be a very easy explanation.

But if we look at it honestly, it just doesn’t make sense that after 40 years wandering in the wilderness, a Sabbath where YHWH’s seal is in it within the Commandments, Israel was given a mulligan in that Sabbath.

They had just celebrated their first Passover in the plains of Jericho.they were well aware of YHWH’s commandments and law coming out of the wilderness.
Maybe we should study if there were any other seven day wars in Scripture and check there. I haven’t done that study.

Maybe not many have ever pondered that question before.
It’s an honest question.

And the very next comment in Scripture after the victory is about a trespass committed by Achan taking a devoted thing at Jericho, and that angered YHWH.
And then we have Israel turned back and Joshua asking YHWH why..

YHWH answered and said it was because of sin of theft, taking of the devoted thing that they hid among their own stuff.

And those thieves within Israel cursed Israel with that theft, and were punished with stones and fire in chapter 7 (paraphrased)

So just a chapter later of the great victory by YHWH, a theft, a trespass of YHWH’s law, that changes not,
Israel is killing its own to have YHWH turn from his fierceness of anger for a trespass of His law.

What is a believer led to believe then?

I believe what Malachi states, I am YHWH, I change not. He doesn’t give mulligans.
One man trespass sin, and Israel is cursed until he is gone.

Can you square any of that with allowing Israel to trespass on ‘Remember the Sabbath day, keep it holy’?

Only one reckoning of time can explain it as a non issue to believers.