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To: PeaRidge
What about that do you not understand?

There's not anything to not understand. You post in a cryptic manner. It's like you want to debate, but can't find anything concrete to make a point on so you post cryptically. You play games rather than state your point.

437 posted on 01/27/2014 4:12:09 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

That’s because he sucks so bad at debating he falls back on the games to compensate.


438 posted on 01/27/2014 5:59:32 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

You find a simple question cryptic?


440 posted on 01/28/2014 7:19:51 AM PST by PeaRidge
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; rustbucket; rockrr
You focused attention on the “1850s” when in fact that was only a few years of lower tariffs, and basically irrelevant.

The years after proved more important.

By 1860 the protectionists had a solid majority in the House of Representatives. This majority was also strictly sectional. The northerners voted in near unanimity for the Morrill tariff while the southerners opposed it in equally unified form. The northerners outnumbered the southerners in the House, meaning it passed with a large majority.

The US House passed the Morill tariff on May 10, 1860. The bill passed by a vote of 105 to 64, and that was before secession.

To say that it was secession that enabled the Morrill Tariff to pass the Senate in 1861 is not true.

The senate was a slightly different situation in 1860 but its tide had shifted by 1861.

Even if one assumes that every single seceded state's senators had (a) remained and (b) voted against the Morrill act, they still would not have been able to muster enough votes to defeat the thing.

In the absolute best case voting scenario that could have occurred under the senate that took office in 1861, the best that the southerners could manage would be a tie vote, in which case VP Hanibal Hamlin would cast a tiebreaker in favor of the north and the tariff would pass.

The southerners recognized this fact almost immediately after the 1860 elections and publicly stated so.

Hopefully that is clear enough to you to not be ‘cryptic’.

442 posted on 01/31/2014 12:59:42 PM PST by PeaRidge
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
You play games rather than state your point.

I see you've met Pea. He'll deny that the sun rises in the east if he's contrived some way to prove it puts the north in the wrong.

443 posted on 02/02/2014 4:45:53 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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