Antibiotics And Their Use in Collapse Medicine(tm), Parts 1-4

http://www.doomandbloom.net/ ^ | NOVEMBER 28, 2011 | Dr. Bones

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“argyria” does not result from using colloidal silver at antibiotic/therapy doses. If silver has any effect on causing this, it is from ionic silver, not colloidal silver. I use colloidal silver. Many I know use it in rather high therapeutic doses. We use colloidal silver that is truly colloidal. Colloidal silver is life-saving.

[Kartographer]

I have done my homework sir thank you very much. Having done so I deed silver as a niche antibiotic at best and one which can easily lead to serious long lasting side effects. I say to you sir do your homework silver is a heavy metal which can posion and can enter the body and stay.

I will never promote silver as a primary antibiotic or a cure all as so many of silver proponents thrumpet it to be. My job as Prepper Advocate here on FR is to provide the best advice that I can and the protect as many not only from what is coming, but also from those who would prey on their fears. My warnings as to the limits of silver and the fact that they are many as I call them 'snake oil charlatans' who promote it as some sort of wonder drug will continue anytime someone tries to promote it or anything else that I deem marginial and possiblely dangerous to those who trust me to provide them with the facts.

You and chicagolady believe what you believe and that's fine with me and should you wish to post your own threads on the wonders of silver please do and let me assure you if you do I would never have the discourtesy of naysaying you on your thread or hijacking it. But this thread was about the selection, buying and storing of various convential anticbiotics not fringe medicine.

I take my being an avocate for preparedness here on FR very seriously as I see that I have placed myself as a watchman of sorts, that being so I also see myself subject to the Bible's law on such:

"But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes someone's life, that person's life will be taken because of their sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood."Ezekiel 33:6

[JoeProBono]

http://www.mayoclinic.org/colloidal-silver/expert-answers/FAQ-20058061

[yorkiemom]

And thank you, Kart, for your many hours researching and posting to keep us aware of new events and ideas.

[ASouthernGrl]

Bravo! Good information there and agree 100%. Let the sheep take their BIG PHARMA pills and suffer for it. If we aren’t sick, they don’t make money. Too simple for most folks to grasp though. Ever hear the saying they “grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth”? Yeah that’s because the wealthy put silver in the milk, water, etc. to keep germs away. :)

[Kartographer]

Thanks Joe for the post. I hope all read this and it puts the matter to rest.

I posted my position and I stand by it finge medicine is not welcome.

I notice that most who post such always tag on to others threads and haven’t the faith in their belief to post on there own.

[Marcella]

You are correct about colloidal silver and the silver people need to promote that elsewhere if they promote it at all (which they shouldn't). Not long ago, I saw a person who was permanently blue all over his body from taking that and it is not reversible once it happens. A body should not have that in it. As an EMT in a shtf situation, I would never have a person/patient take that. I keep and preserve regular antibiotics with instructions as to their use.

Manuka Honey from New Zealand does have an antibiotic effect due to the bees only taking nectar from Manuka plants in that specific area. I have a jar of that for shtf wound healing. It is that honey used by a wound clinic on Jim Robinson that allowed him to keep his right leg for a few years longer before it had to be removed. No antibiotic was healing the wound on the leg and amputation was the next plan until he was sent to this wound clinic for that to be tried and it worked to keep the wound manageable for a few years.

It was that wound clinic using that honey to help Jim that had me investigate that and get a jar. It is quite expensive. The more concentrated, the more the cost. “Active MGO 400+ (Old 20+) Manuka Honey 100% Pure by Manuka Health New Zealand Ltd” on Amazon.

[LucyT]

From the Mayo Clinic article at post #23:

"It's not clear how much colloidal silver may be harmful, but it can build up in your body's tissues over months or years. Most commonly, this results in argyria (ahr-JIR-e-uh), a blue-gray discoloration of your skin, eyes, internal organs, nails and gums. While argyria doesn't pose a serious health problem, it can be a cosmetic concern because it doesn't go away when you stop taking silver products.

"Rarely, excessive doses of colloidal silver can cause possibly irreversible serious health problems, including kidney damage and neurological problems such as seizures. Colloidal silver products may also interact with medications, including penicillamine, quinolone, tetracycline and thyroxine medications."

Photos from IxQuick "argyria" search:

[Kartographer]

Marcella its only because of you and Johnny, hummbelegunner, laz and Old Sarge that I can sit with my back to the door (when I have to). ;-)

[Eagles6]

Well done.

I like silver...in my pocket.

[JoeProBono]

[NTHockey]

Most of these expire in 12-18 months. What do you do with expired ones? Lots of money spent if SHTF doesn’t happen in that time frame.

[Kartographer]

Drug Expiration Dates - Are they still safe to take?

http://www.drugs.com/article/drug-expiration-dates.html

From this article: The American Medical Association (AMA) concluded in 2001 that the actual shelf life of some products is longer than the labeled expiration date. The AMA stated the best evidence resides in the Shelf Life Extension Program (SLEP) undertaken by the FDA for the Department of Defense.2 The original purpose of the SLEP program was twofold: to determine the actual shelf life of stockpiled military medications for future use, and to save government dollars.5 Over 3000 lots, representing 122 different drug products, were assessed in the SLEP program. Based on stability data, expiration dates on 88 percent of the lots were extended beyond their original expiration date for an average of 66 months. Of these 2652 lots, only 18 percent were terminated due to failure. Examples of common drug products that were tested with no failures included amoxicillin, ciprofloxacin, diphenhydramine, and morphine sulfate injection. Drug expiration extension dates on these products ranged from 12 to 184 months.

Another article:

New Evidence on Expiration Dates

http://www.doomandbloom.net/new-evidence-on-expiration-dates-2/

From this article:

Lee Cantrell, PharmD, from the California Poison Control System, San Diego Division, University of California San Francisco School of Pharmacy, and colleagues used liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry to measure the amounts of the active ingredients in the medications. The medicines, which had expired 28 to 40 years ago, were found in a retail pharmacy in their original, unopened packaging.

To meet US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) standards, an active ingredient must be present in 90% to 110% of the amount indicated on the label. Drug expiration dates are set for 12 to 60 months after production, even though many compounds can persist far longer.

In the new analysis, 12 of the 14 active ingredients persisted in concentrations that were 90% or greater of the amount indicated on the label. These 12 compounds retained their full potency for 336 months (Dr. Bones 28 years) or longer. Eight of them retained potency for at least 480 months (dr. bones: 40 years).

[CodeToad]

Most drugs are good for 5+ years with a slight, 3-5%, reduction in strength. Search for it.

[raybbr]

Great reply Kart. Keep up the good work. MUCH appreciated.

[Georgia Girl 2]

We use colloidal silver, MMS, Honey, oil of oregano, Cinnamon and an elderberry tincture all the time.

[DuncanWaring]

http://www.aquaticpharmacy.com/

[Old Sarge]

The silver fad simply has a network-marketing schema attached to it, just like all the other “Let’s Get Rich Quick Off The Prepper Craze Then Cash Out Before The Craze Fades” crowd.

[null and void]

Looking like Lord Krishna is a side effect. It's rare, it isn't near as bad as the litany of side effects one hears a dozen times a day on ads for Rx drugs (or lawyers!) on TV.

Medicine is always navigating the shoals between killing the disease and killing the patient.

It is best left to medical professionals, and best using established treatments, but in extremis would I risk being blue vs being dead? You betcha!

[chicagolady]

Thats right, I forgot oil of oregano, I used it many times, love it!

Elderberry is another good one, thanks for the reminder.