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Want to Buy a Machine Gun Without a Background Check? Federal Law Allows It — For Now
Sunlight Foundation ^ | December 19, 2013 | Nancy Watsman

Posted on 01/03/2014 7:33:29 PM PST by lbryce

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1 posted on 01/03/2014 7:33:29 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Better than 99% of NFA transfers are suppressors and short barreled rifles. The number of full auto weapons transferred is miniscule because the Hughes Amendment ended the productioj of full auto civilian firearms. To play in that venue now is prohibitively expensive. The article talking about “loopholes” to buy machine guns is designed to induce fear and panic in the uneducated minds that make up the majority of society. This is just more of the piss poor unprofessional “journalism” we are forced to bear these days.


2 posted on 01/03/2014 7:42:44 PM PST by nvscanman
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To: lbryce
To get these particularly dangerous guns, the president is doing whatever is within his power to close loopholes in federal law...

Oh, bad guns! Bad bad dangerous evil malicious stinky extra-dangerous scary bad bad bad guns!

In full seriousness: how many fully automatic weapons or short-barreled rifles and shotguns are ever used to commit crimes?

3 posted on 01/03/2014 7:43:45 PM PST by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: lbryce

Another lie in 1946:


“Trophies to Be Made Legal in Program Under National Firearms Act
Machineguns and machine pistols, war trophies of foreign make, must be registered and deactivated to bring their possessons within the law.
For this purpose Treasury Department operatives will establish offices at police headquarters this morning and will maintain a 12-hour schedule for the next three days, from 9:00 a. m to 9:00 p. m.
Veterans possessing any firearm of foreign make can qualify themselves to keep their souvenirs lawfully by bringing them to police headquarters on any of the days today through Thursday.
After registrations, deactivation of the weapons makes them unserviceable but in no way mars the appearance of the guns as souvenirs. All guns are duly returned to their owners. Registration of guns is a nationwide program. Investigations made in recent months under the National Firearms Act have a bearing on the risk and problem of exceptionally dangerous war trophy weapons, brought or shipped to this country by veterans, falling into unauthorized hands by theft or unrecorded transfer and being put to unlawful uses never intended or contemplated by the veteran.
Already there have been committed a large number of major crimes in various sections of the country, where foreign automatic weapons, introduced as war trophies or souvenirs were used. The drive cf the Treasury Department is aimed at preventing these weapons and firearms from falling into the hands of gangsters, racketeers, bank robbers and other types of criminals.”[

“The Alcohol Tax Unit, Bureau of Internal Revenue, is charged with the enforcement of the National Firearms Act, which provides a penalty not to exceed $2,000 or imprisonment not to exceed five years, or both, in the event a person is convicted of violating any provisions of the Act. Veterans, register your foreign weapons today!”
Nov 19 1946 ‘Plattsburgh Press Republican’


4 posted on 01/03/2014 7:46:46 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: nvscanman
Yep, the Hughes Amendment to FOPA. Why is it that laws passed seem to always do the opposite of what their title claims?

Championed by none other than that moron Dick Metcalf who wrote for Guns and Ammo and was recently forced to resign out of shame and embarrassment. Well, that's how I like to think of it...He may not have been behind the amendment, but the bill was still the vehicle for infringing upon our rights.
5 posted on 01/03/2014 8:10:04 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Joe Brower

Taa Daaaa !


6 posted on 01/03/2014 9:42:45 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: lbryce
What you have here is elitist machine gun collectors worrying about the value of their machine guns going down due to an increased availability through trusts and corporations.

Private security corporations like Blackwater wouldn't be able to buy new full auto weapons without the trust and corporate exemptions.

Every time there is a mention of repeal of the Hughs Act, these elitist bastards come out and oppose it. Traitors indeed.

7 posted on 01/03/2014 9:49:20 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: lbryce

NFA should be repealed. There is no reason for any regulation of silencers (suppressors); they should be encouraged to protect the health of shooters and to reduce the noise signature of ranges. While there is a criminal potential in short barrel rifles and shotguns (SBR/SBS), the same potential is in pistols that can be just as concealable and powerful; regulating SBR/SBS is pointless.

As for machine guns, I don’t feel safer with those restrictions than without. Anyone with minimal mechanical skills can quickly modify a semiautomatic to full auto. The machine gun restrictions only inconvenience the law abiding citizens who will not take that legal risk, without bothering the few criminals who want full auto when they are planning a felony and don’t care if they break one more law. I never want full auto because ammo is too expensive and I prefer to place my shots.


8 posted on 01/04/2014 4:57:38 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Standing Wolf
In full seriousness: how many fully automatic weapons or short-barreled rifles and shotguns are ever used to commit crimes?

None, but that's probably because full autos are so expensive that anyone who can afford to buy one already has the money, he doesn't need to rob a party store......

9 posted on 01/04/2014 5:05:58 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; blackie; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
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10 posted on 01/04/2014 6:02:39 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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I’ll take half a dozen in assorted colors!

Where does the line form? LOL!


11 posted on 01/04/2014 6:12:31 AM PST by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Pollster1

It’s not the possession of the full auto firearm, suppressor, or short-barreled rifle that is the problem. Millions could own then without problem. Just like a hammer or fertilizer, it’s the use that should be subject to law not the possession.


12 posted on 01/04/2014 7:15:00 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Pollster1
I never want full auto because ammo is too expensive and I prefer to place my shots.

While I generally agree about placing shots, I would like to have the option, in case I ever need it (okay, and just for fun, every now and then).

13 posted on 01/04/2014 9:14:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: metalurgist

When did the value of machine guns ever go down?


14 posted on 01/04/2014 9:59:36 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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When did the value of machine guns ever go down?The question you should have asked is "When did the price of machine guns go up"?

The year was 1985 when REAGAN signed the Hughs act. The act made all machine guns manufactured and imported into the country ineligible for registration after 1985.

Before the Hughs act, a full auto M16 could have been purchased for $400.00, plus the $200.00 transfer tax stamp. The Colt semi auto version was $450.00. Now, a full auto M16 sells for upwards of $10,000. The Colt semi auto sells for $1150.00.

My Thompson 1927 A1 deluxe cost me $1000.00. The 1927 model full auto Thompson sell for upwards of $18,000.00, plus the $200.00 tax stamp.

If the Hughs act were to be repealed tomorrow the price of a full auto M16 would plummet to about $1200. The same if Auto Ordnance was allowed to produce the full auto 1927.

The collectors would really take it in the shorts, wouldn't they? Thus their opposition to the repeal of the Hughs act. Follow the money.

15 posted on 01/04/2014 11:14:21 AM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: metalurgist

OK, I understand your logic. My point is that all other types of firearms have continued to be produced since 1985. I don’t see the price of them dropping, despite millions more added to the market. You know a lot more about it than me, but I just don’t see your scenario happening. Collectible firearms continue to go up in value.


16 posted on 01/04/2014 11:29:44 AM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: lbryce

LOL... this article is full of it. The information in it is patently misleading. I deal with NFA items and trusts every day. I’ll just say this, show me one single instance where this fear mongering claim is true.

Good luck because BATFE cannot show a single instance of it.


17 posted on 01/04/2014 11:39:10 AM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: caver
My point is that all other types of firearms have continued to be produced since 1985. I don’t see the price of them dropping, despite millions more added to the market.

In 1980, the Colt AR was a little less than a weeks pay. Today, the Colt AR is still less that a weeks pay. The price really hasn't gone up except for inflation. The full auto on the other hand has gone up 3000 percent because a stupid law makes it illegal to buy new ones.

The 1927 Thompson is a collectible because it is an antique. But what makes it really valuable is because it is full auto and they aren't making them like that anymore thanks to the Hughs act.

Gun prices haven't really gone up much in the last 30 years due to the fact that more companies have entered the marketplace and technology enables guns to be made cheaper and faster. A good accurate hunting rifle cost me $350.00 in 1981. Today a good accurate hunting rifle still can be had for $350.00. The difference is now it's a Savage, then it was Winchester. Technology made Savage the equal of Winchester.

18 posted on 01/04/2014 12:35:00 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: metalurgist

Agreed.


19 posted on 01/04/2014 2:27:48 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: Standing Wolf; All

There is no reason to have federal regulation of gun mufflers (silencers,suppressors) or short barrelled rifles or shotguns beyond what exists for pistols.

In effect, short barrelled rifles or shotguns *are* effectively pistols, while there has never been a decent reason for these insane controls on gun mufflers, which even most European countries impose far less regulation on than the United States.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/11/comment-now-on-proposed-additional.html


20 posted on 01/04/2014 4:54:10 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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