Even most of the sweater vest crowd saw right through Schmuckabee .....
Posted on 12/29/2013 5:41:11 AM PST by xzins
I've noticed for a while now that Huckabee has picked up the meme of the GOP-E that conservatives are injuring the Republican Party. That was the point of liberal Scot Brown on his show this week...normalizing a liberal. I've also noticed a few articles saying the Hucklebug is again interested in running for office. This probably means that Huck knows where the moneyed cronies are and has to curry favor with them.
I've watched, and I always come away with the impression that the huckleberry points the finger at conservatives, at those who would primary the GOP establishment turncoats, and at the foolishness of conservative positions....except of course when it benefits his talking points of the week, Duck Dynasty, for example.
I know, though, that Huck would've blasted Phil Robertson if that's the way the wind had blown.
So, if you want another unprincipled establishment lapdog, then help promote huck, a former, sort of conservative.
Brown was calling for the GOP to be more inclusive of gay marriage and abortion supporters in the run up to the last election.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2921531/posts
Tax Hike Mike was never a conservative.
Huckabee is a long way from AR now, where the state party has moved more conservative since he left the governorship.
Now you know why and how he has a show on faux news.
I’m with you, but the people of TX always vote Cornyn, as they are so uninformed about his record.
For all practical purposes now, NH is just a “conservative” precinct of MA; with meaningless votes available.
I had to leave for church shortly after posting that little reflection, CEW, so I’m just getting to responding.
I am torn by your dilemma. Another Massachusetts conservative, betty boop, insists that the Romneys and Browns of the world are the best options available in your area.
Nonetheless, I’d prefer a conservative over a liberal.
So far as Brown is concerned, regardless of the liberalism, I’m wondering how a man can be a Massachusetts Senator for a few years and then shortly thereafter run as a senatorial candidate in New Hampshire. It isn’t that it’s an Anthony Weiner obsession with power. It’s that it’s unseemly, self-centered. That actually turns me off toward him, and I’d expect it will be an issue with others.
So, it leads me to wonder what his real game is.
When a RINO (GOPe) or a DINO (progresso) speaks, you need to negate every non-factural point to get the whole truth. Example follows.
Conservatives are hurting the Republican Party.
Phrase contains two not factual declarations.
A run through the babel fish translator produces the following factul statement.
The Republican Party is hurting conservatives.
In more ways then one,
I might add
You're being way too nice.
huck off, fuckabee.
Even most of the sweater vest crowd saw right through Schmuckabee .....
When he decided to run for Prez, he thumped his Baptist bible (I am a Baptist so I can admit this) that those claiming to be "bible-believing Christians" believed.
Now, many of those decent folk have never read the bible in its entirety, so they knew not what Huckabee was about, only that he claimed to be "one of them," so off they trotted to pull the lever for him in some very conservative areas.
Barna (the Christian pollster) has shown that even people claiming to be "believers" don't really know what they believe but it sounds good and so they latch on to it.
Having facilitated a few bible studies over the years and being quite politically attuned, I found that many of those desiring to learn more of the bible, weren't conservatives at all but maybe conservative on a few points, i.e. pro-life and strong on marriage, though they can and have been persuaded to give on that one over the years. They aren't strong on the Second Amendment, school choice or even religious liberty issues, so I can only call them semi-conservative and easily led in the wrong direction.
In fact, most people are very ignorant on civics, constitutional freedoms, personal responsibility and terribly unversed on how our nation was founded and willingly give up liberties to some government promises.
No wonder FDR got so many nice folk thinking he was second to Jesus Christ for their salvation!
Nah, Huckabee could draw them away from a genuine Christian conservative simply because he has his own show on FNC, plays and sings and knows enough about the bible to mis-quote scripture to coincide with big government programs!
Well who of our mind and spirit would not prefer "a conservative over a liberal?"
And yet as Otto von Bismarck truthfully observed: "Politics is the art of the possible."
This is an in insight more recently updated by the late, great William F. Buckley: Vote for the most conservative candidate you can find — who can possibly be elected.
That would rule out Virgil Goode, right there. And yet many dear FRiends either voted for Virgil Goode, or stayed home in "protest", in the last election. Which very likely gave Obama his reelection "victory." [And now, how we citizens continue to suffer from that.]
To say that the "Romneys and Browns of the world are the best options available in [my] area" is true — as far as it goes. The division of the United States into "areas" is understandable; it goes along deep-seated cultural lines — which have been increasingly exacerbated in the "culture war" fostered by the [atheist, anhistorical, and anti-human] programme of the increasingly culturally-dominant Left Progressive movement, Barack Obama presiding.
Against that onslaught, I supported Mitt Romney and Scott Brown, both nominal Republicans. In both cases, the alternative was unthinkable to me: Reelect a failed president who probably did not meet the criteria of Office on diverse grounds in the first place; and renew his "mandate." Or instead of the ideologically squishy Scott Brown, elect the maniacal, phony "squaw" Elizabeth Warren to the Senate. (Who is now running for the presidential nomination of her party — no doubt following the "Obama model" of presidential accession....)
One of the best on-going jokes carried throughout Patrick O'Brian's Jack Aubrey/Stephen Maturin series in 20 volumes (which I greatly admire) was: When one serves His Majesty, one is often put in the position of having to choose between "the lesser of two weavils." (Weavils were a common feature of ship food in those days.)
I.e., you get to choose between which is the lesser "bug." Both are nasty to the palate. Ultimately, the decision boils down to the choice between two evils. And the question then becomes, which is the lesser evil of the two?
Anyhoot, there were a great many people on the Christian Right who just sat out the last presidential election. Or, like Don Quixote, were out there "tilting windmills" in hopes of getting Virgil Goode elected president.
Suffice it to say, that did not happen. It could not possibly happen.
I was a Romney supporter, as you know dear brother. His record as governor of Massachusetts was certainly not "perfect," ideologically speaking, especially if judged from outside the normal experience of Massachusetts politics — which is machine politics, utterly corrupt, and has been so for decades.
But I do believe that Romney well understood that "politics is the art of the possible." And worked through that perspective as best he could, in good faith. And managed to get the Commonwealth in better fiscal order than it had been in decades. We taxpayers thank him for that.
I am aware that Romney was rejected by many on the Christian Right because he was viewed as a heretic of the Christian Faith.
But I do not see that from that proposition that Romney was in any way disqualified as a public man.
The idea of "the public man" first arises in classical Greece, with Plato and Aristotle — who are to this day regarded as the founders of political science.
In Aristotelian terms, I regard Mitt Romney — for all his theological shortcomings from the orthodox Christian point of view — as an example of spoudaios, of the "mature man" who feels a duty to engage with the affairs of the Polis from time to time. Not to make a career from such service, but to chip in as necessary, as public need may warrant.
As for Scott Brown: I am far less clear on "the content of his character" than I am of Mitt Romney's.
If he were to become a "carpetbagger" in New Hampshire to seek a seat as Senator: If he can beat a left progressive, I'm all on his side, though I wouldn't be able to vote for him.
If you were to ask me, he's still pretty "wet behind the ears" when it comes to hardball politics....
But I'd take him over the squaw Elizabeth Warren, anytime. (She is absolutely out of her gourd, IMHO....)
Just some thoughts, dear brother in Christ!
May God ever bless you and all of your loved ones in this blessed Holiday Season!
Merry Christmas! and may you and all your dear ones have a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year!
Then how did they NOT see thru Santuckabee???????
The problem is not the Scott Brown types from Mass….the problem is Graham from SC, McCain from Arizona, Burr from NC, Chambliss from GA, both guys from Tennessee, Cornyn from Texas, etc…..
I spoke with Brown for a while in June…I really think he is a guy not sure how to win elections in Mass as a conservative. It is Massachusetts….I think his instincts are actually much more conservative than was shown by how he governed. I mean, that’s his fault too….but Mass is Mass…..and he replace Kennedy.
That's why I have sympathy for your dilemma, Betty. Short of having a conservative candidate intentionally misrepresent himself as a liberal, I don't know how you would elect a conservative. That poses an ethical dilemma as vote after vote reveals the Manchurian conservative to be a sleeper. A second election win would be more difficult.
Whatever Romney's sense of civic duty, his legacy will be a lousy campaign and his unwillingness to close with the enemy, a prevent defense that ended up preventing him from winning. I really don't fault the purist conservatives who voted for others or who didn't vote at all. Adding up their numbers one might say Romney would have won had they voted the way they did. But Romney had plenty of money and plenty of experts, and I'm sure he added up their lost votes ahead of time when he went off into liberal areas that turned them off. There's no doubt in my mind that they performed some behind-the-scenes calculus regarding the number of liberals they would peel away from Obama by moving to the left. The bottom line is there calculus was wrong. Those folks went for Obama anyway, despite all Romney's signals that he might be liberal enough to satisfy them. His calculus and his campaign failed. He ended up alienating people who would never have supported some of the positions he espoused and others he hinted at. Only in retrospect did they say that those conservatives would have helped them win. Oh what a tangled web we weave when liberals we court and conservatives we leave. In writing history, his staffers want to point at those they rejected rather than at their strategy that didn't work. Which get us to Virgil Goode. Poor Virgil was a Goode foil for conservatives who hoped to keep Romney on the reservation. That failed too. He threw us under the bus anyway. That left Virgil trying to do something, but it wasn't effective, whatever it was. His party didn't try at all, and that hurt him, but it hurt them far more. Now we think they aren't serious about this serious enterprise. Serious men would have had Goode run in his old congressional district to see if they could actually elevate one of theirs to the House of Reps. He might have succeeded at that, and that would have been a far better result than the apathetic bungle they made of the national election. At the last minute, due to Benghazi I switched to Romney and Ryan. I couldn't imagine anyone being as bad on foreign policy and military honor than Obama. (Ryan proved me wrong last week on military honor.) I retrospect I'm embarrassed by my vote for Romney/Ryan. Those who leave their veterans behind are shameful. Romney did it by failing to close on Benghazi. Ryan did it by selling us down the river with his anti-veteran budget plan. Where does a conservative turn? Getting back to this article, my point was this: Not to Huckabee.
Well who of our mind and spirit would not prefer "a conservative over a liberal?
That's why I have sympathy for your dilemma, Betty. Short of having a conservative candidate intentionally misrepresent himself as a liberal, I don't know how you would elect a conservative. That poses an ethical dilemma as vote after vote reveals the Manchurian conservative to be a sleeper. A second election win would be more difficult.
Whatever Romney's sense of civic duty, his legacy will be a lousy campaign and his unwillingness to close with the enemy, a prevent defense that ended up preventing him from winning. I really don't fault the purist conservatives who voted for others or who didn't vote at all. Adding up their numbers one might say Romney would have won had they voted the way they did. But Romney had plenty of money and plenty of experts, and I'm sure he added up their lost votes ahead of time when he went off into liberal areas that turned them off. There's no doubt in my mind that they performed some behind-the-scenes calculus regarding the number of liberals they would peel away from Obama by moving to the left.
The bottom line is their calculus was wrong. Those folks went for Obama anyway, despite all Romney's signals that he might be liberal enough to satisfy them. His calculus and his campaign failed. He ended up alienating people who would never have supported some of the positions he espoused and others he hinted at. Only in retrospect did they say that those conservatives would have helped them win. Oh what a tangled web we weave when liberals we court and conservatives we leave. In writing history, his staffers want to point at those they rejected rather than at their strategy that didn't work.
Which get us to Virgil Goode. Poor Virgil was a Goode foil for conservatives who hoped to keep Romney on the reservation. That failed too. He threw us under the bus anyway. That left Virgil trying to do something, but it wasn't effective, whatever it was. His party didn't try at all, and that hurt him, but it hurt them far more. Now we think they aren't serious about this serious enterprise. Serious men would have had Goode run in his old congressional district to see if they could actually elevate one of theirs to the House of Reps. He might have succeeded at that, and that would have been a far better result than the apathetic bungle they made of the national election.
At the last minute, due to Benghazi I switched to Romney and Ryan. I couldn't imagine anyone being as bad on foreign policy and military honor than Obama. (Ryan proved me wrong last week on military honor.)
I retrospect I'm embarrassed by my vote for Romney/Ryan. Those who leave their veterans behind are shameful. Romney did it by failing to close on Benghazi. Ryan did it by selling us down the river with his anti-veteran budget plan.
Where does a conservative turn?
Getting back to this article, my point was this: Not to Huckabee.
Right, NOT huckabee……and on another subject, the Romney’s and Browns of the world are fine as governor and Senators from Mass…because they are the best we can do from Mass….but they are NOT who we should be running as a national nominee…...
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