Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives raid the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, Feb. 28, 1993. Four agents and five Davidians died during the ensuing gun battle, which was the start of a 51-day siege
Posted on 12/28/2013 9:03:20 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
war on drugs as just an excuse to implement: freedom from war, state dept pub. 7277 - internal security forces
rather have cops have a few senseless deaths than them always shooting up civillians and their animals.
Agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives raid the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, Feb. 28, 1993. Four agents and five Davidians died during the ensuing gun battle, which was the start of a 51-day siege
I’d bet a phone call to the guy would have worked just fine; especially since he had no history of violence.
Might have had a septic tank.
Exactly, but where's the adrenaline rush in that?
Proof why donuts should be outlawed! Meanwhile, pot goes legal in Colorado on Jan. 1st.
Just reading this as a MARSHALL LAW TEXAS promo came on. TNT’s new reality show about no knock SWAT raids in Texas. If I was gay I would cry about beeing offended I guess.
YES!!!
“I would have a hard time as a member of a jury to convict a citizen who killed an officer during a no-knock warrant incident.”
Cops need to start recognizing the chaos of these raids makes them a disaster waiting to happen, for both sides.
You’d have to fight hard to convince me he was deliberately trying to kill a cop. The screwy part is, if a cop kills you, it was an honest mistake. But you are supposed to know it was a cop, no matter the time, place, situation, or even if they were in uniform.
A while back, some plain clothed Beverage Control officers tried to stop two college girls. The girls did what any sane person would do, ran the yelling nuts over. The cops wanted to charge them, though they clearly didn’t know it was officers.
“Sounds to me like a deputy was killed because another deputy had a severe case of illusions of “no knock” grandeur based on another investigator’s “big drug find”. Barney Fife on steroids.”
Oh no, it was the officer who ASKED for the warrant. Poetic justice at its finest. He lived for SWAT raids, and he died for one.
“I don’t blame the judge till I see the affidavit for warrant. If all the judge had was an affidavit saying the guy was a felon, known to be armed, and standing guard over a warehouse of illegal drugs I’d issue one too.”
The judge is supposed to make the cop convince him this was necessary. Too many judges have become rubber stamps. There was one who rubber stamped an invasive anal exam because a man looked like he was clenching his butt.
The judges are supposed to be a check against crazed cops, not their enablers.
“Owning a weapon that will defeat body armor is even more important these days. “
I like flame thowers. (Evil Grin)
If you read the story, the one killed was the one requesting the warrant. Looks like poetic justice to me.
Why is bird in the mix at all?
Why is bird in the mix at all?
Warning Shot?
Or maybe you just want to put some small holes in them first?
Or maybe you want to be able to take out a rabbit in your garden out back and still have something left to fry up.
I don’t really have a problem with birdshot as the first round, but not as the 4th round.
Had the plug in.
(government employees storming into citizen’s houses)
I believe that one of the original intents of the word “unreasonable” (search and seizure) was with regard to not announcing ones presence:
1. English Common Law Predecessors
The common law knock-and-announce rule was first judicially recognized in 1603.(54) In Semayne’s Case, the Court of King’s Bench stated:
In all cases when the King is party, the sheriff (if the doors be not open) may break the party’s house, either to arrest him, or to do other execution of the King’s process, if otherwise he cannot enter.
But before he breaks it, he ought to signify the cause of his coming, and to make request to open doors . . . for
the law without default in the owner abhors destruction or breaking of any house (WHICH IS FOR THE HABITATION AND SAFETY OF MAN) by which great damage and inconvenience might ensue to the party, when no default is in him; for
perhaps he did not know of the process, of which, if he had nonce [announcement], it is to be presumed that he would obey it, ....
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Caps were mine - I’m guessing that is where the “Castle Doctrine” comes from.
You betcha.
No knock warrant in a mobile home with a pregnant woman?
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