[HarleyD]

Could you show the scripture that says that?

Joh_1:3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Can you show me where we make something up apart from God?

[CynicalBear]

Surely that’s not the verse you use to show that God ordained Christmas. So would you also say that God made the gods the pagans served?

>> Can you show me where we make something up apart from God?<<

I think you need to re evaluate you concept of “made”.

[boatbums]

Can you show me where we make something up apart from God?

Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (Genesis 6:5)

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)

He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” (Mark 7:20-23)

For our offenses are many in your sight, and our sins testify against us. Our offenses are ever with us, and we acknowledge our iniquities: rebellion and treachery against the Lord, turning our backs on our God, inciting revolt and oppression, uttering lies our hearts have conceived. (Isaiah 59:12-13)