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Christmas Really Isn't about Christ - Why I'm not Celebrating Christmas Even Though I'm a Christian
Kirchhoff's Law ^ | 12-14-2013 | Mary C. Kirchhoff

Posted on 12/14/2013 2:56:27 PM PST by InHisService

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To: metmom; boatbums
Is it any wonder the Roman Catholic Church incorporated pagan practices, rituals, holidays and such into her practices to attract and retain the pagans as members? I see the vitriol and carnal reasoning for holding on to familiar customs and celebrations with little or no regard to what scripture has to say on the subject. I have read through the thread and not once have I seen support from scripture, God’s word to us, for their attachment to Christmas. The complete lack of interest in the views and wishes of the only hope we have is sad. They claim to have Christ as their savior but give little thought to His words on the subject. God said don’t serve me like the pagans serve their gods yet people ignore those words and tell God how they will do what they think is good. The Israelites did that and it didn’t turn out well for them.

Those who truly wish to honor their only hope for salvation would do well to put His wishes first rather than customs of man. The total lack of concern for the will of God by those who purport to serve Him is telling.

181 posted on 12/15/2013 6:25:14 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; Fester Chugabrew; InHisService
>>We are perfectly free to coopt every pagan tradition and every substance in honor and celebration of the Christ, the crucified and risen One<<

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God

And the principle perseveres even though covenants change.

What did not God simply coopt paganism with all its distinctive pagan practices, which many liberals and atheists falsely charge our faith is, rather than commanding,

But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. (Deuteronomy 7:5)

Why did God want the high places destroyed rather than transforming them into places of His worship? It perpetuated them so that they easily reverted back to what they were, as these were not trees, so to speak, that God had planted.

New creations, not re-formation of paganism.

182 posted on 12/15/2013 6:29:24 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: CityCenter
As to your last question, my church does not hold a traditional Christmas Service. What we do is ask our attendees to go out in serve those in need and organize opportunities for them to do so.

How radical, although i hope they give gospel literature along with a loaf of bread, etc.

183 posted on 12/15/2013 6:32:07 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: InHisService

9 million people tuned into the Duck Dynasty Christmas special and saw the nativity story put on by the Robertson family for their church. I didn’t see it, but from everything I’ve read, I bet they honored Christ. And I bet at least half a million of those viewers aren’t Christian and just got the gospel presented to them.

Beats me why anyone can’t see the tremendous witness to the world that Christmas has.


184 posted on 12/15/2013 6:33:16 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: daniel1212

The lack of concern for God’s wishes and instruction is rather troubling.


185 posted on 12/15/2013 6:45:36 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Elsie
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186 posted on 12/15/2013 7:39:48 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Arlis

True, the Bible doesn’t mandate celebrating Christmas. The same is probably true for Epiphany, Lent, Easter, Pentacost and Thanksgiving. Are Christians who observe these occasions committing sin?

Anyway, happy holidays!


187 posted on 12/15/2013 7:50:26 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Fight on!!)
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To: daniel1212
Yet it is actually those who basically make the yearly observance of Christ obligatory that are engaging in legalism, as this yearly observance certainly is not seen or commanded in Scripture, and which even censures the ritualistic religious observance of "days, months, times and years," (Gal. 4:10) as concomitant with religion under the Old covenant.

I enjoyed your post and thought it was dead on concerning how Christianity have imposed worship days despite the belief that they were done away with.

However a careful reading of scripture will show that the Holy Days of the Lord Jesus Christ were not done away with in scripture. There is an obligation and benefit that comes from observing them.

These holy days are listed in detail in Leviticus 23. However it's important to recognize that they were given to those who worship God BEFORE the establishment of the old covenant. Biblically there's a very strong case that they were established at the creation of the earth. For example:

Gen 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years

The term translated "seasons" is actually the same hebrew word that is used for the holy days of the Lord. Some translations render the verse:

(GW) Then God said, "Let there be lights in the sky to separate the day from the night. They will be signs and will mark religious festivals, days, and years.

The notion that Galatian 4:10 "did away" with these flies in the face of future prophecies of people keeping these feasts of Christ as well as the early church's observance of them in the books of the new testament. In addition there are specific greek words used to denote Gods' feast in new testament scripture and these words are not used in Galatians 4:10.

The real story of why Christianity doesn't observe them is simple: Traditional Christianity "evolved" away from them mainly due to Antisemitism. The people in Judea revolted against the Roman empire in a series of revolts in the early first and 2nd centuries. (Jewish-Roman Wars

As a result anything that "looked" Jewish was spat upon, criticized and discouraged by Rome, the most powerful military power on the planet. This hatred of anything that looked jewish was incorporated throughout culture and society and still explains the antisemitism we have today.

In other words, and this is hard for most to hear, the traditional church today was founded by those who abandoned the ways of God when it comes to worship because they couldn't stand the heat. The day of worship was changed from the sabbath to Sunday. Scriptures were cherry picked and mistranslated to support this change and is still done today to justify abandoning the holy days (and other things) of Christ.

188 posted on 12/15/2013 7:53:16 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: metmom

That’s right. I don’t have time to be offended anyway. Aint nobody got time for dat ; )


189 posted on 12/15/2013 8:49:18 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Did the ancients know they were ancients? Or did they see themselves as presents?)
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To: HarleyD

Well said.

For the first time I put some thought into the argument that celebrating Christmas is not mentioned in Scripture and therefore we should not celebrate.

As I showed on that I asked myself about the feasts and festivals that were required in the Old Testament. The question is, what was the purpose of these events. Simply put, they all point to the Messiah. Every one of them.

So now that Jesus has come I see Christmas as a these feasts rolled up into one big feast.

People, being the sinner’s that they are, will corrupt any and everything God has given us. Why are we suprized that Christmas has been corrupted? It is our job to do the right things with our gifts, wether creation, our work or our private lives, not to hide them under a basket.


190 posted on 12/15/2013 9:23:18 AM PST by Gamecock (There are not just two ways to respond to God but three: irreligion, religion, and the gospel. (TK))
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To: boatbums

Thank you for your kind words. Amazing some of the comments on here, attacking me for being a single mother, attention seeking, poor, angry, the list goes on. I will continue to pray for those who clearly need to be shown by God what the spirit of Christ is. While they are busy shopping and decorating they should be praying. Sorry, couldn’t resist.


191 posted on 12/15/2013 9:59:10 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: chajin

Nothing wrong with taking something pagan and turning it around for Christ? I see a LOT of things wrong with that.


192 posted on 12/15/2013 10:00:55 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: DannyTN

I wouldn’t have a problem with Christmas if you took away all the trappings; the the insane shopping and spending, the decorations, the greed, people fighting each other in stores on Black Friday, etc. Those things don’t honor Him. If it was just singing carols, witnessing for Jesus and doing things that strictly honored Him, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. However, that’s not the case. We deceive ourselves saying all the pagan traditions that we stole honor Him.


193 posted on 12/15/2013 10:06:54 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: Alberta's Child

Thank you. I appreciate your comment.


194 posted on 12/15/2013 10:10:42 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I’m looking at my tree and my decorated mantel right now....they’re beautiful. I really doubt the Lord is angered by these harmless, pretty things.


And I believe He is. If Christmas were about Christ; charity, love, giving, sharing the gospel and praising and worshiping Him and thanking the Almighty for bringing Jesus into the world that would be wonderful. Santa, reindeer, lying to our children about where the gifts come from, endless shopping and spending, over the top decorations, over indulgence of food and alcohol, none of those things honor Him and have nothing to do with His birth. You can’t have it both ways. When atheists and agnostics are celebrating Christmas, that should be a huge clue something is wrong here.


195 posted on 12/15/2013 10:17:10 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: Bryanw92

I didn’t write this piece to offend, but rather to get people thinking. For years I was oblivious to the pagan traditions that were stolen, and all the other things I wrote about. I think many people are unaware of it as well. My purpose is to inform, not to offend or become a “martyr” as you say.


196 posted on 12/15/2013 10:19:42 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: jocon307

Christmas has not been “hijacked” by retailers, that is silly. I mean, seriously, are you that easily influenced by advertising?


No, I’m not influenced by advertising (except Lay’s potato chips.) However, millions of people are. How does Black Friday and people beating each other up over gadgets honor Christ? How does people getting into debt and unable to pay their bills because they feel obligated to indulge their children honor the Savior? How does overindulgence in food and alcohol honor the Living God? We can say “Keep Christ in Christmas” and be under the delusion that He really is in Christmas, but the truth is, for the large majority, He is not.


197 posted on 12/15/2013 10:23:39 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: JimSp

I find it interesting that you seem to use the testimony of atheists to build your case. Seems rather incongruent for a Christian to do that.


Actually, it is not incongruent. When I saw the video, it was then I decided I must write this piece, with the prompting of the Holy Spirit. As I wrote, I’m no fan of American Atheists and their many lawsuits against anything Christian. Yes, it would seem odd that I make a statement agreeing with them that Christ is not in Christmas, because they are correct on that point. For the most part, He is not. And it is a sad irony that atheists celebrate Christmas. That tells me there are many appealing aspects of Christmas to the secular non-believer, and that should not be the case. If Christmas truly were about Christ, there is no way an atheist would be celebrating it. And that’s why we now have the politically correct, “Happy Holidays” rather than “Merry Christmas.”


198 posted on 12/15/2013 10:30:39 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: theBuckwheat

Thank you for your comment, and God Bless you and yours!


199 posted on 12/15/2013 10:32:36 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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To: A child of Yah

Thank you for your thoughtful reply and kind words. God Bless you!


200 posted on 12/15/2013 10:35:06 AM PST by InHisService (Jesus is coming back. Are you ready?)
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